What do you think of Rep. Joe Wilson's decision to shout out 'You lie!' during speech

[Winman]

Well, we saw Obama for nearly a year during the campaign. And the campaign is all about getting to know a canidate and making judgements. There were lots of reasons I didn't like Obama then, I have more now. Here is one reason I don't like him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hU9iCANi02o

I have never been a fan of Hillary, but at least she salutes our flag.

And that has got to be the worst rendition of the Star Spangled Banner I've ever heard.

 

[OldRegular]

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[Crabtownboy]

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In a long, complex explanation Thursday, Wilson acknowledged that Obama's assertion about illegal immigrants was technically correct.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/politics/story/75211.html

If Obama was technically correct it logically follows that he could not have been lying.

I'll still accept an apology and no hard feelings.

 

[targus]

If Obama was technically correct it logically follows that he could not have been lying.

Yes, no doubt in your church's childrens' classes when they teach about bearing false witness they always include a unit on "technical truth" .

'll still accept an apology and no hard feelings.

Here's the Crabby old curmudgeon clause again.

The only apology from Joe Wilson that will be acceptable to Crabby is a personal apology made directly to Crabby.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Yes, no doubt in your church's childrens' classes when they teach about bearing false witness they always include a unit on "technical truth" .

Smoke blowing .... not a logical follow on in your rant.

Here's the Crabby old curmudgeon clause again.

The only apology from Joe Wilson that will be acceptable to Crabby is a personal apology made directly to Crabby.

Guess you have not been keeping up. It is not from Wilson that I said I would accept an apology from .... but someone on this board whom I have proven wrong.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Why ? When others prove you wrong you don't apologize.....Why the double standard ?

 

[SeekingTruth]

"Technically correct" is accurate. The clause denying the application of this plan to illegals is indeed there. However, there is no requirement to prove that one is a citizen or a legal alien. When such an amendment of enforcement was offered in committee by the Republicans, it was voted down by a party line vote. 100% of the Dems voted against it. So, yes there is a restriction, but no statutory way to enforce it. Neither the O nor anyone will address the need to enforce the law.

 

[targus]

Smoke blowing .... not a logical follow on in your rant.

So you see no distinction between... let us say "honesty"... and "technically true"?

That would explain alot.

 

[alatide]

I am reminded of a joke:

How do you know when a politician is telling a lie? His lips are moving!

Now for the reality:

I think Rep. Wilson was saying what many American citizens are believing -- that the President has lied to us before about certain things, and is probably lying about the health care reforms.

That Rep. Wilson said it out loud during the President's speech was NOT appropriate, but that he SAID it echos well in the citizen's minds. We are tired of hearing President Obama say one thing while doing another. We are tired of the excess spending, when saving would work better. We are tired of him cowtowing to the dictators of the world, instead of defending the United States. We are tired of ILLEGAL non-citizens getting better treatment than we who work hard for a living. We are tired of the "change" that has all been for the worse! And we are tired of the Senators and Representatives that we elected refusing to listen to us as we tell them how we feel and believe.

We are also tired of a supposed Christian doing everything he can to bolster the killers of our brothers and sisters in Christ who live in countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. We are tired of the murder of unborn children in abortion clinics, which our President totally supports, no matter how many times he lies and says otherwise.

Have you gotten the picture yet? American Christians, regardless of their ethnic background, should be ashamed of their support of evil from ANY source. That includes support of adulterous governors, lying Senators and Representatives, and, yes, even a lying President. We should be standing for the Truth and for all things good. We should NOT be cutting each other down, but we should be working together to prove the love God has for all of us. We should NOT be accusing each other of being racists, but working hard to eliminate racism. (BTW, it has been my experience that those who most often accuse someone of racism, are in fact worse rasicts than the accused. I am NOT accusing, I am just stating my experiences).

Have you heard that the Congressional Budget Office has stated that the House Health Care Reform bill would cost 9 trillion dollars over the next 10 years? We cannot afford such a bill! Yet it contains everything President Obama has stated he wants! How do you think we will pay for it? By borrowing more money from China and other countries who do NOT want us to succeed!

Thanks for letting me rant! Perhaps others will start thinking about what they are doing and saying to each other, repent, and work together for the Lord!

Bill :godisgood:

We are also tired of a supposed Christian doing everything he can to bolster the killers of our brothers and sisters in Christ who live in countries such as Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan.

I fully support ending these two unjust wars which were initiated by the Bush administration for a reason he never could quite come up with. You know the Osama bin Laden has never been accused of any 9/11 related crime. (Look at the bin Laden rap sheet on fbi.gov.)

Obama's objective is to get out out of Bush's mistakes but he's trying to do it in the best way for our country. He has a stated time table for withdrawal from Iraq. Bush never supported announcing one because it would aid our "enemies." Afghanistan has gotten worse because Bush pulled a lot of troops out of there to attack Iraq.

Did you support an immediate withdrawal from Iraq and Afghanistan during the 6 years of war during the Bush administration? If so, then I applaud your request for an immediate withdrawal during the Obama administration and say that we're in agreement.

 

[Winman]

alatide

Man, you do not have a clue. Do you sincerely believe that our nation's problems with the Middle East started with Bush? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? That was in 1993 when Clinton was President. And it goes back well before that. American involvement in the Middle East goes back to the end of WWI and the Palestinian Mandate.

Here is an article, you really should read it before you spout off about Bush.

http://www.mideastweb.org/mandate.htm

The reason Middle Eastern countries hate us is because we support Israel. It is really that simple.

Now here is something I doubt you know. Did you know that the Palestinians already have a country? They do. It is called Jordan (originally called Trans-Jordan) and was establised two years before Israel. It was specifically drawn up to be the recognized homeland for Arabs and Muslims living in this area.

Originally, this was the territory that was to be given to the Jews for a homeland.

But because of protests, over 75% of this area was given to the Arabs and Muslims for a homeland.

So, you see, the Arab Palestinians have a homeland and have since 1946. These political boundaries were approved by all nations in the League of Nations and later approved by the United Nations as well.

Now, never mind that the Muslims probably occupy 1/3 of the habitable part of the Earth, they cannot stand this small chunk of land smaller than Massachusetts going to the Jews, although the Jews have a history of living there going back thousands of years.

But this is why we have conflict with the Middle Eastern countries. It is our support of Israel as a nation. This conflict started before George W. Bush was born and will continue until Christ comes.

 

[SeekingTruth]

Don't bother ala with facts. He wants to live in his own version of non-reality with the rest of the blame America, USA haters.

 

[alatide]

alatide

Man, you do not have a clue. Do you sincerely believe that our nation's problems with the Middle East started with Bush? Do you remember the first attack on the World Trade Center? That was in 1993 when Clinton was President. And it goes back well before that. American involvement in the Middle East goes back to the end of WWI and the Palestinian Mandate.

Here is an article, you really should read it before you spout off about Bush.

http://www.mideastweb.org/mandate.htm

The reason Middle Eastern countries hate us is because we support Israel. It is really that simple.

Now here is something I doubt you know. Did you know that the Palestinians already have a country? They do. It is called Jordan (originally called Trans-Jordan) and was establised two years before Israel. It was specifically drawn up to be the recognized homeland for Arabs and Muslims living in this area.

Originally, this was the territory that was to be given to the Jews for a homeland.

But because of protests, over 75% of this area was given to the Arabs and Muslims for a homeland.

So, you see, the Arab Palestinians have a homeland and have since 1946. These political boundaries were approved by all nations in the League of Nations and later approved by the United Nations as well.

Now, never mind that the Muslims probably occupy 1/3 of the habitable part of the Earth, they cannot stand this small chunk of land smaller than Massachusetts going to the Jews, although the Jews have a history of living there going back thousands of years.

But this is why we have conflict with the Middle Eastern countries. It is our support of Israel as a nation. This conflict started before George W. Bush was born and will continue until Christ comes.

I supported Bush I's attack on Iraq after that country invaded Kuwait. I also agreed with him when he said he was not wise to continue that war to go after Hussain and especially to occupy the country. Unfortunately, Bush II didn't heed his father's advice and got us into a quagmire much like Viet Nam.

His father advised against this war and I'm also been against it from the beginning. I know all about the past history of the region. The Arabs and the Jews are natural enemies, agreed. That still didn't make invading Iraq a good idea.

 

[alatide]

Don't bother ala with facts. He wants to live in his own version of non-reality with the rest of the blame America, USA haters.

I don't hate the USA. I love my country. You have no right to claim I don't. I hate the Neo-Con's that are trying to destroy it.

 

[saturneptune]

I don't hate the USA. I love my country. You have no right to claim I don't. I hate the Neo-Con's that are trying to destroy it.

Yet you turn right around and defend those who are destroying this country by record deficits, involving government in every area of our lives and limiting liberty, and supporting abortion and alternate life styles. From you posts, your position can be summed up in one sentence. Anything the Constitution if for, you are against.

 

[Winman]

I supported Bush I's attack on Iraq after that country invaded Kuwait. I also agreed with him when he said he was not wise to continue that war to go after Hussain and especially to occupy the country. Unfortunately, Bush II didn't heed his father's advice and got us into a quagmire much like Viet Nam.

If it were proven that Iran had nuclear weapons and were preparing to launch them against Israel, would you support an attack by the U.S.A. to prevent that?

 

[saturneptune]

If it were proven that Iran had nuclear weapons and were preparing to launch them against Israel, would you support an attack by the U.S.A. to prevent that?

No, he would call a news conference and condemn Iran for preparing to launch nuclear weapons at Israel, then would refer the matter to the UN for further action.

 

[alatide]

Yet you turn right around and defend those who are destroying this country by record deficits, involving government in every area of our lives and limiting liberty, and supporting abortion and alternate life styles. From you posts, your position can be summed up in one sentence. Anything the Constitution if for, you are against.

The record deficits were of Bush's making both during his administration and Obama's. We're still trying to rescue the coutry from the Bush depression. You supported a man who mouthed the right platitudes about abortion yet did almost nothing about it. One change he made didn't take effect until after he left office. If he was so much against abortion why did he waith 8 years to do the. Oh, the murder went on during the Bush administratioon and you supported it.

Then that good "Christian" president George Bush said twice that Muslims and Christians worship the same god and Muslims have a "different way to heaven." If Obama said this you'd go wild. Why did you keep on referring to that hypocrite Bush as a "Christian?" Or maybe you believe this heresy yourself?

 

[saturneptune]

The record deficits were of Bush's making both during his administration and Obama's. We're still trying to rescue the coutry from the Bush depression. You supported a man who mouthed the right platitudes about abortion yet did almost nothing about it. One change he made didn't take effect until after he left office. If he was so much against abortion why did he waith 8 years to do the. Oh, the murder went on during the Bush administratioon and you supported it.

Then that good "Christian" president George Bush said twice that Muslims and Christians worship the same god and Muslims have a "different way to heaven." If Obama said this you'd go wild. Why did you keep on referring to that hypocrite Bush as a "Christian?" Or maybe you believe this heresy yourself?

You know, that quote is the exact example of what I have been saying. You either pay no attention to what people are saying, or, you have no perception of surroundings. How many times, how many times, have I made post after post pounding home the fact that both parties are in essence the same. You not only missed that, you create the division between the two parties that does not exist. You second paragraph is totally in the Twilight Zone. I have never expressed support for George Bush or his policies, except for his nominations to the Supreme Court. I never said Bush was a Christian. I have had back and forths over several on this board about Bush.

As far as I am concerned, you are right at the middle of the Democrat-Republican mindset that thinks one party is going to solve the problems created by the other. You are absolutely the problem. You cannot even see the Constitution vs the Democrat-Republican split that really does exist. Your mind can only see what the media feeds it. Get a copy of the Constitution, read it, and think for yourself. Pay attention to what others say.

 

[alatide]

You know, that quote is the exact example of what I have been saying. You either pay no attention to what people are saying, or, you have no perception of surroundings. How many times, how many times, have I made post after post pounding home the fact that both parties are in essence the same. You not only missed that, you create the division between the two parties that does not exist. You second paragraph is totally in the Twilight Zone. I have never expressed support for George Bush or his policies, except for his nominations to the Supreme Court. I never said Bush was a Christian. I have had back and forths over several on this board about Bush.

As far as I am concerned, you are right at the middle of the Democrat-Republican mindset that thinks one party is going to solve the problems created by the other. You are absolutely the problem. You cannot even see the Constitution vs the Democrat-Republican split that really does exist. Your mind can only see what the media feeds it. Get a copy of the Constitution, read it, and think for yourself. Pay attention to what others say.

Do you expect me to agree with everything you say? Why should I. The parties are not the same. Time after time I've demonstrated that. Why don't you listen to what I say?

 

[targus]

Why don't you listen to what I say?

This may be a good question to ask yourself.

Why don't people listen to what you say?