What does Christmas mean to you?

[evangelist6589]

What does Paul Washer know about the methodologies of churches? How many has he actually served along side? Maybe he should spend more time out in the trenches rather than spend all this time bashing everyone else churches. The same could be said for the op. Neither one of them knows what in the world they are talking about.

I am not on the same level as Paul Washer. He is a great preacher and evangelist and a great role model. Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and so I follow Paul Washer as an example of someone whom can teach me.

 

[Revmitchell]

I am not on the same level as Paul Washer. He is a great preacher and evangelist and a great role model. Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and so I follow Paul Washer as an example of someone whom can teach me.

So you did not answer my question. What does Paul Washer know about methodologies of churches? Who specifically are these churches he is talking about? And what is it that makes him a great role model? Does bashing everyone else do that for you? Is that what makes a great role model?

 

[preacher4truth]

I am not on the same level as Paul Washer. He is a great preacher and evangelist and a great role model. Paul said follow me as I follow Christ and so I follow Paul Washer as an example of someone whom can teach me.

Excellent. He has much experience and is a great example and passionate preacher. And of course he's attacked and I see we have one here attempting to undermine the man, more 'ad hominem' nonsense. If one really wanted to know what he knows about churches, methodologies &c he'd go find out for himself. Instead of this he's hoping for you to give him more fodder so he can continue to sow discord, tear down, belittle, undermine and cause division.

 

[preacher4truth]

Its such a shame that others will not give those great men a chance.

It's not just the doctrine they despise, it's the men as well. There is your answer. :thumbs:

 

[TadQueasy]

Crib, Cross, Crown. I can give you the names, addresses and phone numbers of at least five pastors who took the Christmas story all the way to the Ascension this past Sunday.

How many is "lots"? "Lots" of churches will present the Christmas story.... Is it 100? Is it 10,000? Is it a million? Lots is not a number. Lots is an unsubstantiated opinion. BTW, He came! Don't under estimate the power of the Incarnation. It leads to a Cross and an empty tomb.

How many is "many"? "Many" have flawed or weak...." Is it 100? Is it 10,000? Is it a million? Many is not a number. Many is an unsubstantiated opinion.

I know it's Christmas Eve and all but this post just puts a burr under my saddle. I have been honored to serve under and along side many Godly men called into ministry. The way you started this post is akin to declaring everyone of them incapable of proclaiming the Gospel without some silly opinion of yet another person who snaked $20 out of your pocket.

There's a lot of good preachers and pastors out there that have been FAITHFUL to their calling, proclaiming the whole counsel of Scripture from "In the beginning...." to the Amen of Revelation. They have spent their lives joining Paul when he said, "For I determined not to know any thing among you, save Jesus Christ, and him crucified." (1 Corinthians 2:2 KJV) Every day from the rising of the sun to the place where it sets proclaiming JESUS in His fullness.

You, sir, do not have a clue. You couldn't get a clue in a field full of clues during clue season.

In spite of your fears, folks are going to hear the plain and simple facts of the Gospel of Jesus Christ tonight. In spite of your misgivings somebody is going to come to Jesus tonight. In spite of the opinion of this Washer feller there's going to be a preacher fumbling and stumbling his way through a sermon tonight and somebody will fall to their knees before the Lord with a broken and contrite heart.



When you get to be a big boy and have a church of your own maybe you can preach through the Christmas season the "right" way. Your Pastor missed the ball? I have a feeling you went to church with a chip on your shoulder. He didn't hit all the points you thought were obligatory so you declared "he missed the ball". Who are you to determine what the Holy Ghost lays on his heart?

I hope you get a ladder for Christmas so you can get down off that high horse you've been riding.

:applause::applause::applause:
Thank you sir. One of the best posts I have read in a long time here.
Merry Christmas

 

[evangelist6589]

It's not just the doctrine they despise, it's the men as well. There is your answer. :thumbs:

Amen bother, amen.

 

[evangelist6589]

Excellent. He has much experience and is a great example and passionate preacher. And of course he's attacked and I see we have one here attempting to undermine the man, more 'ad hominem' nonsense. If one really wanted to know what he knows about churches, methodologies &c he'd go find out for himself. Instead of this he's hoping for you to give him more fodder so he can continue to sow discord, tear down, belittle, undermine and cause division.

Last sunday while I was open air preaching I had to tell a man several times to stop cussing and he finally left and went away. I could not reason nor chat with the man nor anyone of such a harsh attitude towards me and what I preach. The same is true for some on this board and I cannot dialogue or chat with them for that is impossible.

 

[padredurand]

Last sunday while I was open air preaching I had to tell a man several times to stop cussing and he finally left and went away. I could not reason nor chat with the man nor anyone of such a harsh attitude towards me and what I preach. The same is true for some on this board and I cannot dialogue or chat with them for that is impossible.

Why did you send him away? How was he to hear the Gospel if you made him leave?

 

[evangelist6589]

Why did you send him away? How was he to hear the Gospel if you made him leave?

I spoke with sincere listeners whom had honest questions and whom wanted to hear the message.

 

[Aaron]

What does it mean to you? Lots of churches will do a excellent job presenting the Christmas story, but will not do as much of a job at preaching on the REASON why He came into the world and what sin really means. This is because many have a flawed or weak understanding of the doctrine of Regeneration which impacts their evangelism methodology according to Paul Washer. So tell me what does it mean to you? Is christmas all about you getting a new TV, iPad, clothes, or other toys? Is Christmas all about you spending time with your family? Is Christmas all about you giving gifts to others? While nothing wrong with these things, they do not address the central tenant of Christmas which is about Christ and the reason he came into the world. So I challenge you to present this message when you preach your christmas sermons or be attuned to it when you hear them.

Maybe the third time will be the charm but the pastor in our church has missed the ball twice in a row, and I am praying tonight he will not. The strategy of Jesus was always to be frank, direct, and to the point when witnessing and so should we be in our christmas presentations. We need not side-step sin and when we offer the gospel it must hit sin right on the head so people will see the REASON why we have Christmas.

December 25 means no more than the 26th.

However, the celebration of Christmas is a testimony to the world that the Lord has come, and the fact that the world celebrates that day, and reveres a Christian martyr (Nicholas of Myra), and focuses on alms, fellowship, mercy and forgiveness, is a testimony that the world has gotten the message, and it will stand as a witness against them on the day of judgment.

Just as when Christ returns, He won't be a babe in a manger, when the saints are judging the world and angels, ol' St. Nick ain't gonna be the jolly old elf of Christmas lore.

 

[Aaron]

I spoke with sincere listeners whom had honest questions and whom

whom is objective, who is nominative. Use who when it is performing the action, use whom when it is receiving.

I spoke with sincere listeners who had honest questions and who wanted to hear the message.

Who has questions?
He gave the answer to whom?
Who didn't replace the toliet paper roll?
Sarcasm is wasted on whom?

etc.

 

[padredurand]

I spoke with sincere listeners whom had honest questions and whom wanted to hear the message.

But doesn't that fellow need a Savior too? I did know we could be selective about our audience like that. How do you determine that somebody is sincere? How do you know if their questions are honest or otherwise? How do you know if they want to hear the message or not?

What role does the Holy Spirit play in all of this?

 

[preacher4truth]

whom is objective, who is nominative. Use who when it is performing the action, use whom when it is receiving.

I spoke with sincere listeners who had honest questions and who wanted to hear the message.

Who has questions?
He gave the answer to whom?
Who didn't replace the toliet paper roll?
Sarcasm is wasted on whom?

etc.

Good advice.

 

[preacher4truth]

I spoke with sincere listeners whom had honest questions and whom wanted to hear the message.

Good for you, and this is Scriptural as some will only oppose and some will not hear. All you can do is expect that those who are hearing want to listen. I see this in the same light as Paul, who went through Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, after being persecuted, stoned &c, but he went back to strengthen disciples, not to re hash with those who attacked him. I'm certain you've developed some discernment on who it is who gives an ear, and I also note you preach to all present. How others react to truth is not for us to worry.

Keep up the good work and don't allow the bobbsey twins who follow you from thread to thread, mocking, calling into question, accusing you of being on a high horse &c. These are simply sowing discord and causing strife.

 

[evangelist6589]

Good for you, and this is Scriptural as some will only oppose and some will not hear. All you can do is expect that those who are hearing want to listen. I see this in the same light as Paul, who went through Antioch, Iconium, Lystra, after being persecuted, stoned &c, but he went back to strengthen disciples, not to re hash with those who attacked him. I'm certain you've developed some discernment on who it is who gives an ear, and I also note you preach to all present. How others react to truth is not for us to worry.

Keep up the good work and don't allow the bobbsey twins who follow you from thread to thread, mocking, calling into question, accusing you of being on a high horse &c. These are simply sowing discord and causing strife.

Thanks brother.

 

[quantumfaith]

Padre, not sure if the other "bobsy twin" is you or not. But I will gladly be considered paired with you from the one who bloviates so profusely.

 

[padredurand]

Keep up the good work and don't allow the bobbsey twins who follow you from thread to thread, mocking, calling into question, accusing you of being on a high horse &c. These are simply sowing discord and causing strife.

Don't be so quick running to defending him p4t. If he was to sit in your church he would soon find reason to find you at fault. The OP has accused preachers from coast to coast (with the exception of himself) of being faithless in their preaching. He has stated they have mishandled the Word, preached a false Gospel and lacked compassion for the lost. He has questioned any methodology that differs from his as being woefully inadequate. He called out his own pastor for what he has determined to be not preaching the Gospel. He spreads falsehood by hiding behind a handful of pet book writers as if their writing was superior to the faith once for all delivered to the saints. He is under nobody's authority as he finds flaws in every church he attends.

Sowing discord? I like to think of it as harvesting the chaff. As long as he persists in bring unfounded accusations against preachers he does not know and elevates the writings of Comfort above the Word I will be there with the rest of the Bobbsey family.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

:applause::applause::applause:
Thank you sir. One of the best posts I have read in a long time here.
Merry Christmas

Welsh blood will out.:thumbs:

 

[preacher4truth]

Don't be so quick running to defending him p4t. If he was to sit in your church he would soon find reason to find you at fault. The OP has accused preachers from coast to coast (with the exception of himself) of being faithless in their preaching. He has stated they have mishandled the Word, preached a false Gospel and lacked compassion for the lost. He has questioned any methodology that differs from his as being woefully inadequate. He called out his own pastor for what he has determined to be not preaching the Gospel. He spreads falsehood by hiding behind a handful of pet book writers as if their writing was superior to the faith once for all delivered to the saints. He is under nobody's authority as he finds flaws in every church he attends.

Yes, OK, and you practice the same as well to those who don't hold your view, and then do the same toward him in particular. I'm defending him against your stalking him from thread to thread, belittling him, calling him hauteur &c. Grow up, it's quite immature.

Sowing discord?

Yes, you do, and division. Just as you think he is guilty, so are you.

I like to think of it as harvesting the chaff.

I believe the Scriptural usage of harvesting chaff is to consider another that is being referred to as chaff as being lost, correct?

As long as he persists in bring unfounded accusations against preachers he does not know and elevates the writings of Comfort above the Word I will be there with the rest of the Bobbsey family.

His accusations are not unfounded, you just simply don't like his doctrine or these facts. Names don't have to be attached to what is well know as going on across our nation and world. Now, as far as that goes there is some broad brushing in there of course, but the state of the 'church' he argues is not far fetched.

He has a valid point and is on the right track. And yes, I get it, you're not anywhere near done sowing discord, belittling, accusing, causing division.

 

[padredurand]

Yes, OK, and you practice the same as well to those who don't hold your view, and then do the same toward him in particular. I'm defending him against your stalking him from thread to thread, belittling him, calling him hauteur &c. Grow up, it's quite immature.

The OP has stated that "lots" and "many" preachers are teaching an incomplete and false Gospel. You seem to agree with this statement. How many is "lots" and "many"? Can you quantify it? Is it a number such as 3017 churches? Is it more? Is it a percentage such as 62%? Is it more?

I contend that the vast majority of preachers proclaim the full Gospel from Genesis to Revelation and everything in between.

He called out his current pastor. He has declared his parent's pastor to be a hypocrite. What evidence does he have but his own opinion. What did Jesus say?

Matthew 18:16 NAS77
16 "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED.

Where are the other witnesses against "lots" and "many"? Where are the other witnesses against his own pastor? Where are the other witnesses against his parent's pastor?

There are none. That is discord.