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What does ETERNAL mean?

Agnus_Dei

New Member
If you've been saved, you have no need to be saved again. If you've been saved, you have the Savior for all eternity. Once you've been saved, it's not about being saved, for you already are. It's about your relationship with your Savior.
and that's it...why should i worry about any 'relationship' with Christ? i'm already saved right? i already have my 'get out of jail free card', so i'm good on any decision i make from here on out...

my mother even told me just a month ago, that since she's saved, she can sit at home and do nothing...not pick up a bible, not attend one church service...do NOTHING...no feeding or clothing the poor, not even praying...(obviously she is very active in her church, btw...she was just making a point), but what a dead faith that is...but this IS true about her, bless her heart, but she is the most self righetous and holier than thou person I know...but I love her anyway...

In XC
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BobRyan

Well-Known Member
and that's it...why should i worry about any 'relationship' with Christ? i'm already saved right? i already have my 'get out of jail free card', so i'm good on any decision i make from here on out...

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Recall that the particular error that you mention is only central to a certain group of OSAS people.

1. 4-point Calvinists
2. Certain (very confused) Arminians stuck making a Calvinist argument.

The rest of the OSAS guys actuall accept the Bible doctrine in Rom 2:6 on perseverance of the saints.

Bob
 

Amy.G

New Member
and that's it...why should i worry about any 'relationship' with Christ? i'm already saved right? i already have my 'get out of jail free card', so i'm good on any decision i make from here on out...

my mother even told me just a month ago, that since she's saved, she can sit at home and do nothing...not pick up a bible, not attend one church service...do NOTHING...no feeding or clothing the poor, not even praying...(obviously she is very active in her church, btw...she was just making a point), but what a dead faith that is...but this IS true about her, bless her heart, but she is the most self righetous and holier than thou person I know...but I love her anyway...

In XC
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The bible says that when we are saved and God comes to dwell within us, we are made new creatures in Christ. In simple terms, our "want to" changes.

If the above post is someone's view of salvation, they should examine themselves to see if they are in the faith.

People who are saved are changed people and have a love for God they didn't have before. When we genuinely love someone, we will want to please them.
 

webdog

Active Member
Site Supporter
TO THE RESIDENT BB ARMINIANS...WHAT DOES ETERNAL MEAN? (Yes, I am shouting...you seem to either be deaf or refuse to answer this simple question).
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
To my fellow arminians "what does WORLD MEAN"??

As for eternal as found in 1John 5 -- it means that as long as one believes in Christ they have eternal life -- for 1John 5 does NOT promise that those who DO NOT believe in Christ ALSO have it.

(Nor can 1John 5 be bent in such a way as to negate Rom 11, Matt 18, Ezek 18, John 15, Gal 5:4... )

Obviously.
 

Amy.G

New Member
To my fellow arminians "what does WORLD MEAN"??

As for eternal as found in 1John 5 -- it means that as long as one believes in Christ they have eternal life -- for 1John 5 does NOT promise that those who DO NOT believe in Christ ALSO have it.

(Nor can 1John 5 be bent in such a way as to negate Rom 11, Matt 18, Ezek 18, John 15, Gal 5:4... )

Obviously.

World means.....ready?......WORLD!


What does ETERNAL mean??????
 

BobRyan

Well-Known Member
John is the one that states the condition in 1John 5.

Paul states the condition in Romans 11.

I just report the news.
 

RAdam

New Member
Jesus paid it all; All to him I owe.
Sin has left a crimson stain.
He washed it white as snow.

I am going to heaven because I put my faith in the sacrifice of Christ. Salvation is all of God. He paid it all. That is grace.
But salvation is by faith and faith alone.
By grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves.
I am saved through faith.
God's salvation accepted through faith.

How can you say Jesus saved you, He paid it all, etc and then say, "I'm going to heaven because I...? If you are going to heaven because of something you did, then Jesus didn't really save you, you saved yourself.
 

webdog

Active Member
Site Supporter
How can you say Jesus saved you, He paid it all, etc and then say, "I'm going to heaven because I...? If you are going to heaven because of something you did, then Jesus didn't really save you, you saved yourself.
Do you have faith in Christ? (I'm not asking where it came from, but OUR faith is required to meet God's condition).
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
How can you say Jesus saved you, He paid it all, etc and then say, "I'm going to heaven because I...? If you are going to heaven because of something you did, then Jesus didn't really save you, you saved yourself.
Adam,
You state in your profile, concerning your own salvation:
Solely on the merits of the righteousness of Jesus Christ applied by the Holy Spirit according to unconditional election
If you are saved solely on the merits of the righteousness of Jesus Christ, then how do you know you are saved? When did this happen? What evidence do you have? Are you sure it happened?
Really, how do you know that you are saved?

I know I am saved because I believed. There was a time, a place, when I put my faith in the sacrificial work of Christ. But if you didn't do that, then according to your own testimony what happened? How was the righteousness of Jesus applied to you by the Holy Spirit? Did you just all of a sudden feel a jolt of lightning? a warm fuzzy feeling? Did an extra-terrestrial being come to you? What happened if you did not believe the gospel message by faith?
 

RAdam

New Member
There's a difference in saying, "I know I'm going to heaven, or I have assurance of going to heaven because of x or y," and saying, "I'm going to heaven because I..." In one instance, we are talking about assurance of salvation, in the other actual salvation. I have no problem, and in fact indorse, the idea of gaining assurance through belief in Jesus Christ, in fact that's what the scriptures teach. My problem is with the idea of saying that salvation itself is based on belief. If that is so, then you are your own savior. If you are going to heaven because of something you did, a decision you made, an action you took, then it is not of God but of you.
 

DHK

<b>Moderator</b>
My problem is with the idea of saying that salvation itself is based on belief. If that is so, then you are your own savior. If you are going to heaven because of something you did, a decision you made, an action you took, then it is not of God but of you.
You said:

"Solely on the merits of the righteousness of Jesus Christ applied by the Holy Spirit according to unconditional election"

Was not this an action based on belief. Was it an action that you took. If not who took the action? When, where, and how were you saved, that you can make such a dogmatic statement as the above?
 

Marcia

Active Member
ahhh, no...i'm completely honest with myself DHK...i know that just b/c i believe on the name of the Son of God; i didn't just receive a 'get out of jail free card'.

..BUT, I can know, that if I keep Christ's commandments and believe on the name of the Son of God, I can have eternal life


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This reveals the dark side of the Orthodox churches - they do not have assurance of salvation.

Yes, you do receive a "get out of jail free card" when you believe on Jesus Christ. It is not dependent on keeping his commandments! If it is, then it is by works and not grace.
Romans 3:20
because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.
Romans 3:19-21 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Romans 3:27
Where then is boasting? It is excluded By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.
Romans 3:26-28 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Romans 3:28
For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.
Romans 3:27-29 (in Context) Romans 3 (Whole Chapter) Romans 4:2
For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Romans 4:1-3 (in Context) Romans 4 (Whole Chapter) Romans 4:4
Now to the one who works, his wage is not credited as a favor, but as what is due.
Romans 4:3-5 (in Context) Romans 4 (Whole Chapter) Romans 4:6
just as David also speaks of the blessing on the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
Romans 4:5-7 (in Context) Romans 4 (Whole Chapter) Romans 9:11
for though the twins were not yet born and had not done anything good or bad, so that God's purpose according to His choice would stand, not because of works but because of Him who calls,
Romans 9:10-12 (in Context) Romans 9 (Whole Chapter) Romans 9:32
Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as though it were by works. They stumbled over the stumbling stone,
Romans 9:31-33 (in Context) Romans 9 (Whole Chapter) Romans 11:6
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, otherwise grace is no longer grace.
 
RAdam: …..idea of gaining assurance through belief in Jesus Christ, in fact that's what the scriptures teach.

HP: Yes, and it also clearly indicates one can believe in vain. 1Co 15:2 By which also ye are saved, IF ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

Why the admonition to keep in memory what Paul has preached, without which ones belief might end up vain? Will believing in vain save anyone?
 
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