Church of Rome states that faith alone grace alone is heresy, oi that denies Pauline Justification in the Gospel!
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What does the Catholic Church say about us who believe in salvation by faith alone?
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I have, its called the scriptures!
Faith Alone wasn't taught prior to that, its was new false teaching brought by Martin Luther. It was so false he wanted the book of James Removed. He wanted to get rid of holy scripture and even wrote in "faith alone" in his false bible.
It was taught by Jesus and His Apostles in the Bible, so the church at time of Acts held to it!
No, all you have is your interpretation of them - and such a practice is leading you to destruction.
No it wasn't. They never taught faith alone, but included all the ways that the Scriptures tell us how salvation is achieved. Baptism is one of the things that now saves you is what my copy of the Holy Writ says. Luther's faith alone determination is just like the teaching of the rapture, an idea that didn't come about until one man named John Darby thought it up in 1830 - it never existed all by itself.
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My understanding of what the scriptures say and mean agree with both Jesus and Paul, unlike Church of Rome!
NONE of the writers of the New testament held to water baptism saving us, nor the doctrines of Rome such as papacy/Perpetual mary Virginity/their sacramental grace salvation, Church of rome true church etc!
When we speak of faith alone we are speaking of faith alone in Jesus Christ. Adonia, why are you even bothered by this at all? You and the RCC believe that no faith in Jesus Christ at all is needed for salvation. So why you even bothered? Even the RCC rules for salvation are worthless because you and the RCC declare faith in anything or anyone is not needed as long as you love some folks.
yes, as RCC sees infant baptism as washing away Priginal Sin, and regenerating,so why even need faith to save?
I have argued with Catholics before about the need for faith in Jesus Christ. They declare no faith is needed. So why do they seem to have an issue with non Catholics believing faith alone saves? Doesn't make much sense to come here and argue faith alone verses faith plus sacraments when they believe neither is actually needed, but one only need have the common innate love which all of God's offspring have and that they show a little love to those they choose here and there. Just be a good Samaritan on occasion and you will be saved.
Allegiance to God not one to Satan. <-thats what is missing in your requirements of savlation/constitution/ mantra/ rules
Why is stating allegiance to God as a requirement so frowned on by my reformed brothers? If they called it a "LOVING faith in Jesus" That would have been a home run.
Why is loving God frowned on? They say loving God doesn't save a person, Loving Jesus doesn't do anything for you.
Faith Alone, I don't think you know what ALONE means let alone faith.
Satan and the Demons have faith.
Sacraments is a broad word you don't understand. Forgiveness from God is a sacrament.
You don't require God's forgiveness?
You want a burger, They ask what do you want inside, you say Ketchup ALONE. So you got bread and just ketchup.
We say we want meat and cheese too, how does that automatically mean no ketchup too?
We say its not faith, that doesn't mean there is no faith.
This error of both of you shows what a horrendous reading comprehension you both have. You can't understand anyone how do you expect to understand scripture?
The only place the words "FAITH ALONE" appears in the bible is
James 2
24You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
A person would have to be brain washed, incredibly stupid or mentally retarded to read that phrase and conclude that the very opposite is true.
Let me write out the opposite, its a test, if you think its true, you should seek medical help.
You see that a man is justified by FAITH ALONE and not by works.
One of these is actually in the bible, the other was put together by brain damaged people.
Does that mean I am against faith? No.
Satan has perfect faith in Jesus. He absolutely believes in Jesus, He has spoken to Jesus face to face.
Faith ALONE is a Satanic childish attempt to hide allegiance to God. It is the WOLF HATRED in Love's clothing which is FAITH.
This is the only reason we don't give faith alone a pass. FAITH is NOT GOD. INDEPENDENTLY = ALONE FAITH is useless.
FAITH IS NOT GOD, and it would be idolatry to say FAITH ALONE.
If there was a adverb "Loving Faith" That would have won. That shows allegiance to God.
Muslims have FAITH ALONE, Look at them go.
In 9/11 that was faith alone in action.
Faith has no bearing on allegiance.
Do you believe buildings are high? The people who jump off them believe that too. Thats the point James was trying to make in James 2.
This can be under your head rather then over.
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James 2 is packed repeatedly with what we are saying and you guys keep walking of pretending none of it is said.
Had it been the other way around we would never hear the end of it! James 2 is solid defeat of faith alone. Martin Luther knew it and wanted it GONE
James 2
5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
Its for those WHO LOVE HIM. He didn't say hey those rich in faith and heirs were chosen, Rather the poor were chosen to be rich in faith LATER, to be heirs chosen LATER.
This scripture MONKEY STOMPS Calvinism and faith alone all over the place.
James 2
1My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.
Calvinist favor the ELECT.
James 2
2For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, 3and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6But you have dishonored the poor man.
This doesn't work in Calvinism. That poor man gets no honor at all. The Calvinist motto is the lotto doesn't matter if your rich or poor, God plays Russian Roulette with your soul.
Notice its not the heirs and faithful who love God. But its those who love God that are promised to be heirs and faithful.
James 2
19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Demons believe in God. the verse ends there but not the statement.
Demons have FAITH in God but are you wiling to recognize FOOLISH FELLOW, that FAITH without works is useless?
Please provide evidence of this Foolish Fellow James is talking about
#1 it ain't us, we know without works it is useless.
Show us who he is talking about. Hint if you can't find anyone who fits this description, you might need to look in mirror.
Had it been the other way around we would never hear the end of it! James 2 is solid defeat of faith alone. Martin Luther knew it and wanted it GONE
James 2
5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
Its for those WHO LOVE HIM. He didn't say hey those rich in faith and heirs were chosen, Rather the poor were chosen to be rich in faith LATER, to be heirs chosen LATER.
This scripture MONKEY STOMPS Calvinism and faith alone all over the place.
James 2
1My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.
Calvinist favor the ELECT.
James 2
2For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes, 3and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, “You sit here in a good place,” and you say to the poor man, “You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,” 4have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives? 5Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him? 6But you have dishonored the poor man.
This doesn't work in Calvinism. That poor man gets no honor at all. The Calvinist motto is the lotto doesn't matter if your rich or poor, God plays Russian Roulette with your soul.
Notice its not the heirs and faithful who love God. But its those who love God that are promised to be heirs and faithful.
James 2
19You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder. 20But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Demons believe in God. the verse ends there but not the statement.
Demons have FAITH in God but are you wiling to recognize FOOLISH FELLOW, that FAITH without works is useless?
Please provide evidence of this Foolish Fellow James is talking about
#1 it ain't us, we know without works it is useless.
Show us who he is talking about. Hint if you can't find anyone who fits this description, you might need to look in mirror.
Rome teaches that salvation must always be renewed via communion. Failure to receive communion may result in damnation due to unconfessed sin and not receiving the body and blood of Christ. It was a means by which the Roman church would control princes and kings. Deny the peasants communion and the peasants will revolt against the king. The king, therefore, had better stay in line with the wishes of the Roman church.
However, God's word says that Christ's sacrifice was once (not continual) and for all who believe.
Do you see what is wrong with the teachings of Rome as it relates to the gospel?
Loving your neighbor and doing goof saved N
NE!Saved by Grace alone faith alone....
Let's remember, (1) the "Faith" we are speaking of is Faith in Jesus Christ. Not any random faith in whomever you want to believe God is. (2) having faith means one trust and believes God. Satan and his angels do not have this faith we are speaking of, so your drum beat on that point is moot.
With that said, I will accept your qualifier as a winner for salvation. So you answer then, If a person rejects having a "Loving Faith in Jesus Christ" will that person be saved?
Yes, everything starts with Christ. But you are wrong because I and the Catholic Church believe that faith in Jesus Christ and his death and resurrection is essential for salvation. Everything else we do is because of the love we have for Him and that is the way we come closer to God, so who are you to deny that the sacraments are a means to do this? Good grief, that is what was taught from the beginning of the One Universal Christian Church until all the denials came some 1400 plus years down the pike.
No, the Roman (Latin) Rite does not teach that salvation must always be renewed via communion - that is an out and out falsehood. We believe that salvation was achieved once, by the one death and the one resurrection of Jesus Christ.
The Scriptures state clearly however, that as often you do it, it is done as the permanent memorial to the sacrifice of Christ. Imagine, we find ourselves transported through time and find ourselves at the foot of the cross no less!
One could say that the taking of communion is a means of "communing" with God, it is a means of coming closer to Him via the incarnation and that one Holy sacrifice. You miss the whole concept completely.
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