What happened to these people?

[nunatak]

I don't think it is as clear as you would like me to believe. Which makes me think that it is not as black and white as you would like me to believe either. You are certainly welcome to your opinion on this. I don't see a difference in terms of following the Law. If you are following Law, any Law, to keep salvation, to me that is a works salvation. And if you say that breaking a Law, any Law, causes someone to lose salvation, that too is a works salvation. I am not sure if this is actually what you are saying. You do seem to use words in a tone that comes across as caustic, however. I encourage you to realize that you are free from earning or keeping your salvation by ANYTHING you can or can not do, including drinking wine. Christ's sacrifice is complete. And we are complete in Him.

 

[Zenas]

Well, then white wine, beer, whisky, tequilla and such are all fine. None of those are red.

But then again, I've never seen red wine move by itself....

Sure you have. It's the carbonation. As sugar becomes alcohol, it gives off carbon dioxide--the tiny bubbles that continually rise up to the surface of the liquid in the glass.

Tiny bubbles in the wine,
make me happy, make me feel fine,
tiny bubbles make me warm all over
with a feeling that I'm gonna love you 'til the end of time.

I can't remember the rest and I can't remember who sang it, but those of you who came of age in the 50's and 60's surely will remember hearing this song.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

I don't think it is as clear as you would like me to believe. Which makes me think that it is not as black and white as you would like me to believe either. You are certainly welcome to your opinion on this. I don't see a difference in terms of following the Law. If you are following Law, any Law, to keep salvation, to me that is a works salvation. And if you say that breaking a Law, any Law, causes someone to lose salvation, that too is a works salvation. I am not sure if this is actually what you are saying. You do seem to use words in a tone that comes across as caustic, however. I encourage you to realize that you are free from earning or keeping your salvation by ANYTHING you can or can not do, including drinking wine. Christ's sacrifice is complete. And we are complete in Him.

Galatians 5:25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

 

[Joe]

ahem...but we all "use Scripture". It was most definately them being judgemental. Case in point, SFIC resurected a post on alcohol (on of your favorites, if I recall ) that nobody posted on in SIX MONTHS just to spread vitriol. That may have been the nail in the coffin.

His claim that "thou shall have no gods besides Me" does and did not apply to Christ is heresy.

It is worse than that....
He addresses a post in my thread, a post he already addressed 6 months ago with the exact same reply. Check the dates. Why pick a fight with the same poster, out of the blue, 6 months later?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=4
Post 40

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=5
Post 43


http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=32
Post 312

 

[Palatka51]

Excerpts of a Testimony

My Testimony
by Rev. Ronald W. Robey

In 1962, we moved to Manassas Park Virginia. We lived in Manassas Park for three years and then moved to another suburb of Manassas. By 1968, we
were back in Manassas Park in a different house. We remained in that house until 1977 during that period of time I was somewhat of a misfit around the home. On my ninth birthday, my oldest brother who was 17 gave me a bowl of hash to smoke, and also introduced me to cigarettes. Through the next several years I tried several different drugs but found no pleasure in them. From hash, to marijuana, to speed, to kilo weed, acid and later cocaine.

Although I tried those many drugs I never felt that I was actually addicted to them because I could pass them up for weeks without accepting them. It was more of a social thing for me, but that's what most people who are addicted to these drugs say.

From the age of nine when I was first introduced to these drugs I would disappear from home for two and three days at a time without telling mother where I was. This went on until the age of 13.

At the age of 13 I moved to Pennsylvania with some Mennonite friends of mine. There I was made to go to church every Sunday which was an odd experience, seeing as it was a Mennonite community. I had been raised in the Assemblies of God movement. It was unusual to see the man sitting on one side of the church and women on the other during services. Also, they had foot washings, which I had never seen before in the assemblies. The Mennonites seemed to be stricter than the Pentecostal’s. I stayed with the Mennonite family for almost a year before returning to Manassas Park Virginia. And then it was back to the same old thing, I’d stay home one or two days a week, and be gone the rest of the time. Even though I was not home as much as I should have been, I still knew that I should be in church and stayed in church.

At the age of 17, I was told by an eye doctor that I would be totally blind in ten years time due to Retinitis Pigmentosa and retinal deterioration. Since then, my I have gone blind in my left eye and my right eye has lost all but a 4.5° peripheral field.

I traveled with the circus for four years as an assistant animal trainer. During my first year in the circus I met and fell in love with one of the high wire walkers. Judy was also a contortionist. Her family was from South America.

In October of 1977 my son was born in Jacksonville Florida. Three days later, his mother was killed in a car accident when she was broadsided by a drunk driver. One the measly pay of $75 a week I could not take care of my child. And so, I gave him over to his grandparents and aunts that were with the circus. They left the circus that week for Judy's funeral, and I never saw them again. I've heard stories from other circus members who say that my son Juan is walking the high wire like his aunts and mother did.

Upon leaving the circus in 1979, I was arrested in Manassas Virginia and charged with grand larceny, a crime which I did not commit. I was convicted and sent to prison with a five-year sentence.

Prison was the best thing that could've happened to me here on this earth. For it was in that prison that I realized that I was lost and in need of a Savior. A born-again Jewish chaplain, Charles Steinberg, and a Pentecostal Evangelist, J. Robert Wyatt, would come to the jailhouse twice a week and share from the Word of God with those who were interested. For the first couple weeks, I was bitter. I would just sit in my cell not wanting to hear a thing. After a while, I decided I could not do anything else so I may as well participate in the Bible study. As I would dig in the Word the Spirit would convict me more and more. I gave my heart to Jesus Christ there in that dirty jail cell. With Brother Steinberg's help, I got into a correspondent's Bible study outside the jail. Three weeks later, I was sent to the prison to serve the rest of my sentence.


Upon my release from prison, I continued in the Word of God and study. I went to live with my Pastor and stayed with him and his family for three and a half years. During that period, I attended minister’s meetings in Berkley Springs, West Virginia and Grantsville, Maryland twice a month.

I have been preaching the gospel since my release from prison. God is so good.

I served as an assistant pastor in Manassas, Virginia for two years before moving to Greensboro, North Carolina where I opened a fellowship called MorningStar Fellowship. I pastured in North Carolina for 6 years until I had to step down due to health problems that put me in the wheelchair. Doctors at that time told me I would spend the rest of my life in that chair. What was happening was this… When I would stand up, my blood pressure would drop and I would pass out within 8 – 10 seconds. Doctors tried several different medicines to bring my BP up, but to no avail. After four months of being in the chair, trying to stand only to fall to the floor and have to be picked up again, I told the Lord that I did not want to be in that chair any more. I told Him that I could not stand on my own and was depending on Him to keep me up. I stood that day and have not been back in that chair but a couple times since then; and that was because I was needing rest and other chairs were taken. I still have problems with my health to this date, but God has brought me out of the chair. I can walk into the doctor’s office today and the blood pressure will be ‘astronomically low’, as one nurse put it. On the average, it is around 97/61. When they scratch their heads and say, ‘I don’t know how you are standing’, I tell them, ‘I know!’ I am able to witness God’s hand upon my life!.

In December of 2005, God brought a very special woman into my life and on June 11th, 2005, we were married in a little church on a hill in New Market, Virginia.

All praise goes to my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ!

Everyone that is condemning this man should be ashamed, for their words are not becoming a Christian. I would say the same for any of you here on this thread if it were you that had been banned unjustly and are now being talked about. All of us have debated with heated passion on what the Word has revealed to our spirits. His happened to be alcohol. Once he posted his view, those of you that think it is not sinful to drink, baited and baited and baited some more. Everyone needs to wake-up and see that you are just as guilty as SFIC for passionately defending your stance or view of scripture.

I do not get favorable views on all my posts either. Thats just fine. I either have to except that I am wrong or in the case of a rock solid stance, except that I have expressed my convictions with the hopes that those convictions will sway someone thats on the bubble. We are not going to sway everyone that is in opposition to our convictions.

If someone says that it is a sin to drink alcohol and you think it is not a sin why should it bother you? It shouldn't unless it pricks your heart. Now the prick will move you two ways, hardness of heart or repentance. If you are not pricked then move on and let the Preacher remain in his folly. Apparently many here are moved by SFIC's views. Which way will you then turn? Hardness or Repentance?

 

[EdSutton]

It is worse than that....
He addresses a post in my thread, a post he already addressed 6 months ago with the exact same reply. Check the dates. Why pick a fight with the same poster, out of the blue, 6 months later?

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=4
Post 40

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=5
Post 43


http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=32
Post 312

How much worse, one might ask? Well, aside from the fact that the post #312 that Joe mentioned prompted a call from me to have the thread closed after the 6 mo. lull (and was already beyond the 30 pg. BB limit), and as Maxwell Smart might have said, "Would you believe that history is actually repeating itself in two instances, already, in just this one post, here.

Check out this partial quote from me.

Incidentally, I also do call "foul", to use another's word, when someone 'attacks' one who is not able to defend him or her self, due to the fact that one is deceased, and/or, in the case of BB members, 'banned'. FTR, one instance, regarding one instance on the Baptist Board where I called "foul", involved now "Banned" poster, standingfirminChrist, who was, at that time, on a suspension, when I took another poster to task for 'attacking' him. I do the same for all posters, even when I may disagree or have disagreed with them, on a stance they may have taken, because I attempt to treat all equally and evenly. And incidentally, as well, the last poster I called "foul" on is Joe, in another thread on another subject, who posted in this thread after I did.

This is from my post #321 (which is one of the last posts, before an Administrator did in fact, close and archive this thread), namely, this one:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=33

So I will now ask, Should history repeat itself for the third time, by me requesting this thread be closed, as well?

Let's see; Banned poster cannot defend himself - same one I mentioned. That's one.

I take another poster to task - same one I mentioned, again. That's two.

And three is where Ed calls for thread to be closed. We are not hardly there yet, but it seems we are sure getting close to this one, as well.

There have been multple individuals no longer posting (or posting very little) I assume, for one reason or another, who have not been banned or even done anything to get admonished, from what I can see. Why doesn't anyone ask about some of them or give us some insight, they may have? I really would like to know what happened to a few of them, such as Mel Miller and cranston36, both of whom were well-seasoned individuals, just to name two, and why they stopped posting.

I hope and pray it was not due to infirmity.

Ed

 

[webdog]

Everyone that is condemning this man should be ashamed, for their words are not becoming a Christian. I would say the same for any of you here on this thread if it were you that had been banned unjustly and are now being talked about. All of us have debated with heated passion on what the Word has revealed to our spirits. His happened to be alcohol. Once he posted his view, those of you that think it is not sinful to drink, baited and baited and baited some more. Everyone needs to wake-up and see that you are just as guilty as SFIC for passionately defending your stance or view of scripture.

I do not get favorable views on all my posts either. Thats just fine. I either have to except that I am wrong or in the case of a rock solid stance, except that I have expressed my convictions with the hopes that those convictions will sway someone thats on the bubble. We are not going to sway everyone that is in opposition to our convictions.

If someone says that it is a sin to drink alcohol and you think it is not a sin why should it bother you? It shouldn't unless it pricks your heart. Now the prick will move you two ways, hardness of heart or repentance. If you are not pricked then move on and let the Preacher remain in his folly. Apparently many here are moved by SFIC's views. Which way will you then turn? Hardness or Repentance?

Bottom line is he was banned for just cause. I never questioned his salvation because of his views, but he sure questioned mine (and numberous others) on more than one occasion, not to mention claiming his views were God's views, which is blasphemy.

 

[Joe]

How much worse, one might ask? Well, aside from the fact that the post #312 that Joe mentioned prompted a call from me to have the thread closed after the 6 mo. lull (and was already beyond the 30 pg. BB limit), and as Maxwell Smart might have said, "Would you believe that history is actually repeating itself in two instances, already, in just this one post, here.

Actually Ed, don't give yourself so much credit. It was MY thread, and I asked everyone not to feed the troll. So no one did until you. Then you came in all hyped up, wired as heck spewing it needed to be closed which was unnecessary. But it was nice that she responded to your request.

Check out this partial quote from me.This is from my post #321 (which is one of the last posts, before an Administrator did in fact, close and archive this thread), namely, this one:

http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?t=43808&page=33

So I will now ask, Should history repeat itself for the third time, by me requesting this thread be closed, as well?

Ed if you are that concerned about history repeating itself, then maybe not contributing to it, blowing everything out of proportion might help. Please, calm down.

Let's see; Banned poster cannot defend himself - same one I mentioned. That's one.

Good point. Probably a good idea for us to never again speak of banned posters on a public forum. Trotter mentioned he is an Admin and they have a rule against it.

I take another poster to task - same one I mentioned, again. That's two.

You took me to task? you have said this twice, and multiple times about other posters. get a grip. You sound like a gang member, certainly not a Christian. Don't be so quick to pat yourself on the back, you did no such thing.

And three is where Ed calls for thread to be closed. We are not hardly there yet, but it seems we are sure getting close to this one, as well.

Maybe so, sure wouldn't be a bad idea! I hoped it was closed long ago, but did want to clarify webdog's post. Apparently, it really struck a nerve with you. You are welcome to ignore my next post if it upsets you so much.

There have been multple individuals no longer posting (or posting very little) I assume, for one reason or another, who have not been banned or even done anything to gt admonished, from what I can see. Why doesn't anyone ask about some of them or give us some insight, they may have? I really would like to know what happened to a few of them, such as Mel Miller and cranston36, both of whom were well-seasoned individuals, just ot name two, and why they stopped posting.
I hope and pray it was not due to infirmity.

I can agree with this. I missed Npet but that's all I can remember so far. Don't think I had been around long enough to get to know the others all that well.

 

[Diggin in da Word]

Just an observance, but Joe's statement: "You sound like a gang member, certainly not a Christian," sounds more like someone questioning another's Salvation than sfiC's statement: "Anyone that claims to be of Christ..."

 

[Bible-boy]

Look not thou upon the wine when it is red, when it giveth his colour in the cup, when it moveth itself aright. Proverbs 23:1. Whether you want to admit that is alcoholic wine or not does not make it any less alcoholic. It is alcoholic, and God's Word does say don't even look at it. The Hebrew carries it even further to say don't even consider it.

So the prohibition then is solely against red wine, right? Doesn't that mean that white wine is okay?

And since this thread has drifted in so many different directions and well away from the OP it now closed.