what happens if you die while you're sinning? Pt. 2

Question: What happens if you die while you're sinning?

Answer: Depends on the nature of the sin. In the case of a mortal sin, you may be condemned to hell. If it is a venial sin, you will spend some time in Purgatory.

Any other unrepentant sins should also be taken into consideration.

 

Kelly White,

Actually, it has nothing to do with the nature of the sin.

It has to do with whether the person was a Spirit born child of God or not.

If the person who dies sinning is a lost person, they will be consigned to hell

If the person who dies sinning is born of the Spirit they go instantly into the presence of God.

The Catholic Churchs "mortal sin" vs "venial sin" stuff is complete nonsense, as is the fairy tale of purgatory.

God bless,

Mike

 

Answer: the same thing that happens if your priest is a phony.

See John 3:5 plus context.

Now make a personal application.

Selah,

Bro. James

 

I dont blame him, it's useles trying to have a conversation about anything with people when they keep pretending they dont understand what you are saying and/or keep on twisting what you say.

For instance... how many times and ways can I say I dont think of myself as being sinless... but they will go on and on insisting I said that.

You cant have any kind of a serious conversation when it is this way.

 

Claudia; They are attempting to get you to say something they can hang you with or cross yourself so they can mock you. Their purpose is not to debate. In all my years I have never heard anyone expouse the things the fellows do about the spirit being saved the soul lost the body gone forever and on and on. It is so far out of bounds that it is not funny anymore and I for one think we have run into so people that got their belief from some other book than the Bible.

 

If you think Apostle Paul was breaking the Commandments while teaching others not to then you just don't understand the Scriptures. I also feel I am cheif of all sinners while I have lived on this earth, but thanks to God He forgave me of them as He did Apostle Paul.
(I can see where someone who wanted to justify sinning would twist that Scripture to fit his case also, but Apostle Paul meant in his life for he went on to say he had persecuted the Church of God.)

HoP; so you found you one did you? Sorry to hear that the poor fellow was on his way to Heaven no doubt before running into you.
Blind lead the blind and both fall in the ditch.

The righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us. How could that be if you are breaking it and sinning?

Hop; you said you felt sorry for me for not adding to the Scriptures but please don't for I don't want the punishment for doing so. Many of a good men have went astray by reading material from people like you. I feel sorry for them. I have a special place for that kind of material. Have you ever considered the Scripture;

Galatians, chapter 1

10": For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

"11": But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.

"12": For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.

"13": For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

(or)

James, chapter 1
"5": If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.

 

I can certainly provide you with quotes from people in the past that taught the truth of accountability at the judgment seat of Christ. This is not some new thing. Watchman Nee believed that Christians who were disobedient would miss the kingdom, GH Lang, DM Panton, RE Neighbour... All men who also understood the free grace of God that you would deny to someone who does not measure up to your level of holiness. If grace be of works it is no more grace. This cannot be rationalized in any way to mean that if you sin, you no longer are worthy of grace. You need to learn to rightly divide between the gift and the reward. You work for the reward, not the gift.

 

JN; You do err when you keep saying that I said Salvation by works to which I have never ever said. You accept the Scriptue by Grace are you saved through faith but deny the many Scriptures that teaches what God does to a man when He is saved such as put His laws in his heart and write them in his mind, such as the righteous of the Law is fulfilled in us and that don't mean breaking them either, such as do we make void the Law through faith, God forbid we establish the Law, and on and on but you turn a blind eye to these Scripture and use tactics of attacking you opponent with false statements which just don't work.

James wise up! all those names you gave there are just as many who would give a different belief. Apostle Paul had the same problem from teachers of false doctrine until he found out that knowledge came from God Himself.

I don't guess you would tell me what denomination you belong to would you?

 

I'm not ignoring anything, brother.

Hebrews 10:16-17
16 This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
17 And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.

Where does this say that Christians cannot sin? Assuming that when you got saved, God put His law in your heart, can you not still grieve the Holy Spirit? I believe the blood of Christ can make a man holy, but that comes with maturity, it is not an instant process. Some Christians never mature, Paul had to admonish the Corinthians for being carnal and unable to bear anything but milk. And what milk did he give them?

1 Corinthians 3:13-15
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Christian, your going to be judged for your works and you can find yourself in trouble at the judgment seat of Christ. But eternal salvation is a free gift and it cannot be earned, it cannot be lost.

I'm a baptist, btw.

 

The scriptures say that we can know that we have everlasting life (1 John 5)

How long does everlasting life last?

 

That depends on the context.

 

Oh, I think we are judged everyday of our lives whether saint or sinner. This is so repetitious, you quote I quote and over and over. I know we sin but I do not believe and think any preacher or teacher of whatever Christian is doing their congregation a disservice to advocate they can commit adultery, murder etc and never be lost for if they do such things they will never see what Heaven looks like. How can the righteous of the Law be fulfilled in us if we break it. I am not saying we in ourselves have the strength but by the Holy Ghost that is within us we fulfill the righteous of the law. I could go and copy and paste again all the Scriptures I have put on here before but it would not be to any gain.

You do need to quit teaching others they can be saved and still commit adultery, murder, lying, stealing, coveting their neighbors wife, worshiping cows or idols, etc. Jesus did not teach such things.

Some advice, when you find youself saying or doing things that Jesus did not do then you have it wrong and you need to go back and take inventory of your message.

I have a funeral to take care of at 11:00 so must get ready. I be back this evening if God's will.

BBob,

 

No brother, go back and read your bible.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

Galatians 5:21
21 Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

The kingdom of God, the thousand year kingdom on this earth, is not eternity, is not 'heaven', is not what you receive for believing on Christ alone. It is a reward for obedience.

2 Thessalonians 1:5
5 Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

1 Corinthians 15:24-26
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

death is not destroyed until the end of the millennium, then is the end. Then is when all those who have been promised eternal life through faith, but failed of the grace of God to inherit the kingdom will be raised up, on the last day.

John 6:39-40
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24
24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

When is the last day? This is it.
Revelation 20:11-13
11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

John 12:48
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

 

Hi James,
Help us out here. Define for us the ‘Kingdom of God.” Can you support your idea with clear definitions from Scripture?

 

Kelly White: Question: What happens if you die while you're sinning?

Answer: Depends on the nature of the sin. In the case of a mortal sin, you may be condemned to hell. If it is a venial sin, you will spend some time in Purgatory.

Any other unrepentant sins should also be taken into consideration.


Hi Kelly,
Where do you find this in Scripture?

 

James Newman,


Are all these verses that talk about the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN the same as THE KINGDOM OF GOD... in your view??

Mt:3:2: And saying, Repent ye: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mt:4:17: From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mt:5:3: Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:5:10: Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:5:19: Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:5:20: For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:7:21: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Mt:8:11: And I say unto you, That many shall come from the east and west, and shall sit down with Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:10:7: And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand.

Mt:11:11: Verily I say unto you, Among them that are born of women there hath not risen a greater than John the Baptist: notwithstanding he that is least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he.

Mt:11:12: And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.

Mt:13:11: He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.

Mt:13:24: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field:

Mt:13:31: Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:

Mt:13:33: Another parable spake he unto them; The kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven, which a woman took, and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.

Mt:13:44: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.

Mt:13:45: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a merchant man, seeking goodly pearls:

Mt:13:47: Again, the kingdom of heaven is like unto a net, that was cast into the sea, and gathered of every kind:

Mt:13:52: Then said he unto them, Therefore every scribe which is instructed unto the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which bringeth forth out of his treasure things new and old.

Mt:16:19: And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Mt:18:1: At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?

Mt:18:3: And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:18:4: Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:18:23: Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king, which would take account of his servants.

Mt:19:12: For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.

Mt:19:14: But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:19:23: Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

Mt:20:1: For the kingdom of heaven is like unto a man that is an householder, which went out early in the morning to hire labourers into his vineyard.

Mt:22:2: The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,

Mt:23:13: But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.

Mt:25:1: Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened unto ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom.

Mt:25:14: For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.

 

okay now here are the verses that talk about THE KINGDOM OF GOD


Mt:6:33: But seek ye first the kingdom of God, and his righteousness; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Mt:12:28: But if I cast out devils by the Spirit of God, then the kingdom of God is come unto you.

Mt:19:24: And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mt:21:31: Whether of them twain did the will of his father? They say unto him, The first. Jesus saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That the publicans and the harlots go into the kingdom of God before you.

Mt:21:43: Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

Mk:1:14: Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God,

Mk:1:15: And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

Mk:4:11: And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables:

Mk:4:26: And he said, So is the kingdom of God, as if a man should cast seed into the ground;

Mk:4:30: And he said, Whereunto shall we liken the kingdom of God? or with what comparison shall we compare it?

Mk:9:1: And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That there be some of them that stand here, which shall not taste of death, till they have seen the kingdom of God come with power.

Mk:9:47: And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:

Mk:10:14: But when Jesus saw it, he was much displeased, and said unto them, Suffer the little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Mk:10:15: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child, he shall not enter therein.

Mk:10:23: And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Mk:10:24: And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

Mk:10:25: It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mk:12:34: And when Jesus saw that he answered discreetly, he said unto him, Thou art not far from the kingdom of God. And no man after that durst ask him any question.

Mk:14:25: Verily I say unto you, I will drink no more of the fruit of the vine, until that day that I drink it new in the kingdom of God.

Mk:15:43: Joseph of Arimathaea, an honourable counsellor, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.

Lk:4:43: And he said unto them, I must preach the kingdom of God to other cities also: for therefore am I sent.

Lk:6:20: And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

Lk:7:28: For I say unto you, Among those that are born of women there is not a greater prophet than John the Baptist: but he that is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.

Lk:8:1: And it came to pass afterward, that he went throughout every city and village, preaching and shewing the glad tidings of the kingdom of God: and the twelve were with him,

Lk:8:10: And he said, Unto you it is given to know the mysteries of the kingdom of God: but to others in parables; that seeing they might not see, and hearing they might not understand.

Lk:9:2: And he sent them to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick.

Lk:9:11: And the people, when they knew it, followed him: and he received them, and spake unto them of the kingdom of God, and healed them that had need of healing.

Lk:9:27: But I tell you of a truth, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the kingdom of God.

Lk:9:60: Jesus said unto him, Let the dead bury their dead: but go thou and preach the kingdom of God.

Lk:9:62: And Jesus said unto him, No man, having put his hand to the plough, and looking back, is fit for the kingdom of God.

Lk:10:9: And heal the sick that are therein, and say unto them, The kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Lk:10:11: Even the very dust of your city, which cleaveth on us, we do wipe off against you: notwithstanding be ye sure of this, that the kingdom of God is come nigh unto you.

Lk:11:20: But if I with the finger of God cast out devils, no doubt the kingdom of God is come upon you.

Lk:12:31: But rather seek ye the kingdom of God; and all these things shall be added unto you.

Lk:13:18: Then said he, Unto what is the kingdom of God like? and whereunto shall I resemble it?

Lk:13:20: And again he said, Whereunto shall I liken the kingdom of God?

Lk:13:28: There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.

Lk:13:29: And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God.

Lk:14:15: And when one of them that sat at meat with him heard these things, he said unto him, Blessed is he that shall eat bread in the kingdom of God.

Lk:16:16: The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

Lk:17:20: And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:

Lk:17:21: Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

Lk:18:16: But Jesus called them unto him, and said, Suffer little children to come unto me, and forbid them not: for of such is the kingdom of God.

Lk:18:17: Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as a little child shall in no wise enter therein.

Lk:18:24: And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

Lk:18:25: For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Lk:18:29: And he said unto them, Verily I say unto you, There is no man that hath left house, or parents, or brethren, or wife, or children, for the kingdom of God's sake,

Lk:19:11: And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear.

Lk:21:31: So likewise ye, when ye see these things come to pass, know ye that the kingdom of God is nigh at hand.

Lk:22:16: For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.

Lk:22:18: For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.

Lk:23:51: (The same had not consented to the counsel and deed of them he was of Arimathaea, a city of the Jews: who also himself waited for the kingdom of God.

Jn:3:3: Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Jn:3:5: Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts:1:3: To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:

Acts:8:12: But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women.

Acts:14:22: Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

Acts:19:8: And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Acts:20:25: And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.

Acts:28:23: And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into his lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and out of the prophets, from morning till evening.

Acts:28:31: Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.

Rom:14:17: For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

1Cor:4:20: For the kingdom of God is not in word, but in power.

1Cor:6:9: Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

1Cor:6:10: Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

1Cor:15:50: Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Gal:5:21: Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

Col:4:11: And Jesus, which is called Justus, who are of the circumcision. These only are my fellowworkers unto the kingdom of God, which have been a comfort unto me.

2Thes:1:5: Which is a manifest token of the righteous judgment of God, that ye may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which ye also suffer:

 

Humblesmith: The scriptures say that we can know that we have everlasting life (1 John 5)

How long does everlasting life last?

HP: How long it last is a given. How you hold the ‘knowledge’ of whether or not you are in possession of what you think you possess is the real question. Scripture informs we hold that ‘knowledge’ by faith. Faith must of necessity allow for some possibility of deception. Faith and absolute knowledge are at antipodes. In this world we can ONLY ‘know’ of our eternal destiny by faith, and faith alone. Until we see our names literally written in the Lamb’s Book of Life, and hear the words “Well done thou good and faithful servant!” we will be bound to the confines of faith, and absolute knowledge is hidden from our understanding.

Sure we can know of our salvation…..by faith. Scripture warns us to examine ourselves to ‘see IF we be of the faith,” and that deception is a real possibility, if not probability in many cases. “Mt 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Are you going to try and prove your faith by your faith? How will that prove anything? Why not prove your faith by your works, even as the Apostle James admonished us was the proper means of doing so. “Show me thy faith without thy works, but I will show you my faith by my works, for faith without works is dead being alone.”

 

Jesus never says I used to know you...it is I never knew you....The Lord know his own

 

James Newman,

Please prove us, where in the Bible saying the kingdom of God/heaven is 'a thousand years of kingdom'?

You have to be realized that Matt. 7:23; 13:42,50; 25:30,41,46, and more... speak so loud of everlasting punishment and separated from God and the kingdom. There is none verse promises us, that a person will be being released out from the fire BEYOND the Judgment Day.

James, I do not agree with Joey Faust, Gary Whipple, and others teaching that Christians shall be suffering in the lake of fire for a temporary. I easily lable their teaching sound like as Christian purgatory like as Roman Catholic teaching on it.

there is NO purgatory in the Bible! Peroid!

We all have our future destiny beyond death, which two places we will go - lake of fire or God's kingdom - eternality.

Matt. 25:46 is the clearest verse teaching us, that two groups will have their future final eternality destiny. God already set our destiny as the final conclusion for eternality. God doesn't guarantee us, that a Christian will be finally released out of the lake of fire BEYOND the Judgment Day.

Please show us where in the Bible saying that a Christian shall be finally being be released out of the lake of fire beyond the Judgment Day?

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!