What if Obama Had Scheduled a 4th of July Celebration with Military Hardware?

[FollowTheWay]

Obama's executive orders had a tendency to be completely unconstitutional, like when he ordered DACA which actually was a change in the immigration laws, something only the Congress has the authority to do.

Trump changed the immigration laws by trying to block everyone from a group of Muslim nations. He also has ordered that children be imprisoned separate from their parents longer than the law dictates.

 

[Van]

Deflection? Are you in love with typing that word? You use it several times a day.

Where's the deflection? I merely suggested that conservatives would object to Obama having a military-themed Fourth of July, just as liberals complain about Trump having one.

And I merely suggested your post obfuscated the left's poor behavior by claiming two wrongs make a right. The old we can do wrong because we say the other side does wrong. Twaddle

 

[Adonia]

Trump changed the immigration laws by trying to block everyone from a group of Muslim nations. He also has ordered that children be imprisoned separate from their parents longer than the law dictates.

He changed no laws, like I said Obama is the one who did that with DACA. The Executive branch of our government is responsible for the implementation of our immigration policy, including deciding who can visit on a visa. The fact is, he merely wanted to put a moratorium on people coming here from certain nations prone to producing terrorists. He was sued in the lower courts and the Supreme Court ultimately ruled in his favor by a 5-4 vote.

As to your second claim, President Trump has not done what you said and that is what is causing our problems. He is abiding by the law and releasing all of these people after the required time in custody which I believe is 20 - 24 days. They are released and given a court date to decide their claim, which of course we all know they will not show up for.

Good grief, where do you get your information, Media Matters or the DNC?

 

[InTheLight]

Good grief, where do you get your information, Media Matters or the DNC?

More than likely from Mother Jones, Huffington Post, Vox, The Atlantic, NY Times.


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[MartyF]

Everything I’ve read about fascism points to a far right movement. In Italy, it was the rich big shots that ran the fascism movement.

Fascism arose in Europe after World War I when many people yearned for national unity and strong leadership. In Italy, Benito Mussolini used his charisma to establish a powerful fascist state.

Benito Mussolini coined the term “fascism” in 1919 to describe his political movement. He adopted the ancient Roman fasces as his symbol. This was a bundle of rods tied around an ax, which represented the power of Rome.

Mussolini established the first fascist regime, followed soon after by others, including Nazi Germany. Fascism, however, differed somewhat from one nation to another. Thus, scholars often disagree on a precise definition of fascism. Even so, they tend to agree on its common characteristics such as:

• Absolute Power of the State: Socialist regimes have a strong centralized state, or national government. The socialist state seeks total control over all major parts of society. Individuals must give up their private needs and rights to serve the needs of the whole society as represented by the state.
• Rule by a Dictator: A single dictator runs the socialist state and makes all the important decisions. This leader often uses charisma, a magnetic personality, to gain the support of the people.
• Corporatism: Socialists believe in taming capitalism by controlling labor and factory owners. Unions, strikes, and other labor actions are illegal. Although private property remains, the state controls the economy.
• Extreme Nationalism: The socialist state uses national glory and the fear of outside threats to build a new society based on the “common will” of the people. Socialists believe in action and looking at national myths for guidance rather than relying on the “barren intellectualism” of science and reason.
• Superiority of the Nation’s People: Socialists hold up the nation’s people as superior to other nationalities. They typically strengthen and unify the dominant group in a nation while stifling dissent and persecuting minority groups.
• Militarism and Imperialism: Socialists believe that great nations show their greatness by conquering and ruling weak nations. Socialists believe the state can survive only if it successfully proves its military superiority in war.

Is Fascism Right or Left?

 

[777]

Try truthout, dailykook,

I merely suggested that conservatives would object to Obama having a military-themed Fourth of July, just as liberals complain about Trump having one.

Probably true. If Obama had done it, images of the old USSR military parades on the Red Square would have come to mind, I also would have wondered if that was a warning signal to the right - look at me, we can turn THIS on you, now off to the re-education camps.

So the left's paranoia here is understandable to a degree but Trump being Trump, he's probably trying to make the point that America is really great, militarily in particular, and trying to troll the left again.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Is Fascism Right or Left?

Thanks MartyF, Dinesh, and PragerU. That makes more sense of it. Giovanni Gentile founder of fascism, another form of socialism in the same vein as communism, national socialism (Nazism), democratic socialism, etc.

All advocate national control and thus stand in clear opposition to a limited federal government based on individual and state rights. All of these forms of socialism should be considered not just antithetical to the COTUS, but subversive, seeking to supplant it, that is, attempting to overthrow the government.

• Absolute Power of the State: Socialist regimes have a strong centralized state, or national government. The socialist state seeks total control over all major parts of society. Individuals must give up their private needs and rights to serve the needs of the whole society as represented by the state.
• Rule by a Dictator: A single dictator runs the socialist state and makes all the important decisions. This leader often uses charisma, a magnetic personality, to gain the support of the people.
• Corporatism: Socialists believe in taming capitalism by controlling labor and factory owners. Unions, strikes, and other labor actions are illegal. Although private property remains, the state controls the economy.
• Extreme Nationalism: The socialist state uses national glory and the fear of outside threats to build a new society based on the “common will” of the people. Socialists believe in action and looking at national myths for guidance rather than relying on the “barren intellectualism” of science and reason.
• Superiority of the Nation’s People: Socialists hold up the nation’s people as superior to other nationalities. They typically strengthen and unify the dominant group in a nation while stifling dissent and persecuting minority groups.
• Militarism and Imperialism: Socialists believe that great nations show their greatness by conquering and ruling weak nations. Socialists believe the state can survive only if it successfully proves its military superiority in war.

Is Fascism Right or Left?

 

[GoodTidings]

Trump changed the immigration laws by trying to block everyone from a group of Muslim nations. He also has ordered that children be imprisoned separate from their parents longer than the law dictates.

This is false. Trump didn't change any laws at all.

Secondly, Trump was only blocking travel to the US from seven Muslim countries that were known to be hotbeds from terrorism. Immigration from most Muslim countries was not hindered at all.

Thirdly, no children have been "imprisoned" by Trump. They were detained and now we know that those children were not with their parents, but that children are being recycled by human traffickers at the border so that illegals can appear to be their children in order to cross over. Turns out, the DNA results have been showing that these people are not the parents of those children. Keeping the children separate keeps them away from the human traffickers, not their parents.

In some cases, not all, but in some, it has been reported that some of the parents abandon their children once they get across. The families that do come across are not wholesome families. The parents are drug dealers, murderers and have long history of criminal activity. These are not necessarily innocent people.

The Democrats are not honest about what is happening at the border and they pretty much ignore the CBP reports because those reports often contradict the false, self-serving narrative that Democrats keep trying to promote.

 

[GoodTidings]

The left is having kittens because President Trump is planning a Fourth of July celebration that will feature military hardware--Bradley fighting vehicles, B-2 stealth bomber, F-18 and F-35's flyovers, Abram battle tanks, etc. Trump is planning a patriotic speech mentioning the great history of our country, the contributions of veterans, and perhaps a little public relations touting the economy and other achievements he's made in office.

Big Deal. I don't have a problem with this. It's an unnecessary expense, but a drop in the bucket in the amount of money spent on an hourly basis in this country.

Now, supposing Obama had done something like this in 2011? (Saying, "Obama never would have done this" is not allowed in my hypothetical.) He has a military parade, gives a patriotic speech and then proceeds to tell us how he got the country back on the right track after the Great Recession. I bet conservatives would have been up in arms about it. What do you think?

I think it is now obvious, to the disappointment of the Left that the people of the US got a good history of our nation that is not being taught in public schools any longer. Trump didn't do what he was predicted to do. They predicted it would be like a Trump rally and he would tout himself, but that didn't happen.

These were not goose stepping soldiers and miles of tanks and missiles. But, it was a salute to the military that has protected us so that we can celebrate our independence. Being proud of our military is not despotic at all.

And not a single person, in their right mind, was offended by what happened yesterday at the Capitol. It should have made every American proud.

As for the expense... We have a Democrat party that wants to spend $90 trillion on the Green New Deal, $17 trillion on slavery reparations, $30trillion on Medicare for all, $1.5 trillion is student loan forgiveness... It's pretty hypocritical for them to complain about how much this celebration would cost. They toss around billions of $$$ like it is pocket change every day in DC. So a few million for this isn't that big of a deal. And given that it educated people about parts of our history that we have forgotten, it was worth it.

 

[Alcott]

JFK brought Nukes to his parade and people are complaining about tank's today. LMFAO
Happy independence day!

 

[InTheLight]

JFK brought Nukes to his parade and people are complaining about tank's today. LMFAO
Happy independence day!

Democrats have really changed since JFK.

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[Van]

Democrats have really changed since JFK.

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I want to jump on this opportunity to agree. JFK and RFK and MLK are American heroes. They died in the service of truth and justice for all. The left of today is more communist and capitalist, more dictatorial elitist than egalitarian.

 

[Agent47]

The left is having kittens because President Trump is planning a Fourth of July celebration that will feature military hardware--Bradley fighting vehicles, B-2 stealth bomber, F-18 and F-35's flyovers, Abram battle tanks, etc. Trump is planning a patriotic speech mentioning the great history of our country, the contributions of veterans, and perhaps a little public relations touting the economy and other achievements he's made in office.

Big Deal. I don't have a problem with this. It's an unnecessary expense, but a drop in the bucket in the amount of money spent on an hourly basis in this country.

Now, supposing Obama had done something like this in 2011? (Saying, "Obama never would have done this" is not allowed in my hypothetical.) He has a military parade, gives a patriotic speech and then proceeds to tell us how he got the country back on the right track after the Great Recession. I bet conservatives would have been up in arms about it. What do you think?

It’s hard hypothesizing President Obama being this dumb

 

[Reformed1689]

The left is having kittens because President Trump is planning a Fourth of July celebration that will feature military hardware--Bradley fighting vehicles, B-2 stealth bomber, F-18 and F-35's flyovers, Abram battle tanks, etc. Trump is planning a patriotic speech mentioning the great history of our country, the contributions of veterans, and perhaps a little public relations touting the economy and other achievements he's made in office.

Big Deal. I don't have a problem with this. It's an unnecessary expense, but a drop in the bucket in the amount of money spent on an hourly basis in this country.

Now, supposing Obama had done something like this in 2011? (Saying, "Obama never would have done this" is not allowed in my hypothetical.) He has a military parade, gives a patriotic speech and then proceeds to tell us how he got the country back on the right track after the Great Recession. I bet conservatives would have been up in arms about it. What do you think?

Nope. I have often wondered why this is not part of every 4th of July.

 

[Reformed1689]

I want to jump on this opportunity to agree. JFK and RFK and MLK are American heroes. They died in the service of truth and justice for all. The left of today is more communist and capitalist, more dictatorial elitist than egalitarian.

This is going to be a VERY unpopular statement. But MLK is overrated. There were so many others that accomplished more than he did for Civil Rights. He was not exactly what you would call a model citizen when you actually learn about his life.

 

[Adonia]

This is going to be a VERY unpopular statement. But MLK is overrated. There were so many others that accomplished more than he did for Civil Rights. He was not exactly what you would call a model citizen when you actually learn about his life.

He was a human being with faults, just like we all are. He was not afraid to do things that would get him arrested and he also knew that any moment that he was out in public could be his last.

 

[Adonia]

I want to jump on this opportunity to agree. JFK and RFK and MLK are American heroes. They died in the service of truth and justice for all. The left of today is more communist and capitalist, more dictatorial elitist than egalitarian.

How did JFK die in the service of truth and justice for all? He died because he got the Mafia to help him get elected and then his administration (the Justice Dept. under his brother Bobby) went after them. Kennedy was a serial philanderer and I look at him as I saw John McCain - a brave man who did his duty in wartime, but a real sleaze ball of a politician. JFK was like Obama, the media loved him and all he got was good press.

 

[InTheLight]

JFK was like Obama, the media loved him and all he got was good press.

 

[Reformed1689]

He was a human being with faults, just like we all are. He was not afraid to do things that would get him arrested and he also knew that any moment that he was out in public could be his last.

That doesn't change the fact he is overrated and over-celebrated.

 

[Reynolds]

I want to jump on this opportunity to agree. JFK and RFK and MLK are American heroes. They died in the service of truth and justice for all. The left of today is more communist and capitalist, more dictatorial elitist than egalitarian.

MLK was a communist, whore mongering, drunk.