What is "Old Time Religion"

Redneck definition

A slang term, usually for a rural white southerner who is politically conservative, racist, and a religious fundamentalist ( see fundamentalism). This term is generally considered offensive. It originated in reference to agricultural workers, alluding to how the back of a person's neck will be burned by the sun if he works long hours in the fields.

The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition (2005).


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Luke, is "redneck" an appropriate term for Christian discussion?


...Bob

 

Luke...

What someone else said or did is not what is being called out here. You are being called out for your use of "redneck."

Let us examine what you really said.

True revival will result in the best worship possible, but not the worship of rednecks -- southern white poor people.​

Is that what you meant to say?

Did you mean to say that southern white poor people are incapable of worshiping God?

If you are saying that, then are you telling us that God does not recognize or receive the worship of southern white poor people?

What is the scripture reference for this?

Are you also telling us the Reformed doctrine of election does not cross geographical, racial, and economic boundaries? That God elects individual souls based upon where they live, their color of skin, and their economic means?

Is this the Reformed doctrine of election?

Is this your doctrine of election?

...Bob

 

Luke - this isn't about "winning." If it were, then it would be sad, because you, I, and everyone who reads the discourse between us would already have lost.

This was about what's right. Is it right for you to be derogatory towards people? You claim to be a pastor; is that really the character trait of a pastor? Do you get up behind your pulpit and preach/teach your flock that it's okay to be derogatory towards others? If not, then why was it okay to do so here? And if you do, well, that's an entirely different conversation.

I pointed out that your references towards IFBers were derogatory; now you've gone and made derogatory comments about rednecks, and Bob called you out on it.

Your response in both cases? You don't think you've done anything wrong. Apparently, in your mind, as long as you're talking about a specific subset, it's okay to be derogatory.

Have I been snotty? Yep, and you know what? I truly am sorry. I have conversed with you in a less-than-Christian manner. It would have been easy to say that I let you get my goat; but that would be a pitiful excuse. I'm the one who let you get it. It doesn't justify how I reacted towards you.

You say if I got to know you, I'd like you; I doubt it. You see, if you're true to yourself, then in person, you're no different than what you appear here on this board. I find you to be pompous, arrogant, prideful, and condescending; I would have no truck with you.

And if you're not like that face-to-face, then you're a double-minded man who is one way face-to-face, and another when posting on this board; and I'd have no truck with a man I couldn't trust.

It would have been easy to simply say, "if anyone was offended by my words, I apologize"; and then explain exactly which IFBers you were talking about. And I would have most likely come back with "thanks for the clarification; my bad for not understanding who you were talking about." Seriously. I've been on this message board for over 10 years now, and have done that more than once.

Finally, one last comment about you, Luke: It's greatly amusing, in a sad, sad way, how you talk about "this is the way someone else talked about me" as if that justifies your responses. Take responsibility for your own actions, sir; don't point back at others as if that somehow makes it okay to be derogatory towards others. It only brings you down to their level, and tarnishes you.

 

Yep, Don is correct in his assessment of you. Right on the money.

You'll never get it. Unless perhaps you grow up someday.

 

Silly man. There were only two lines, and Bob quoted them both. Now you're just quibbling.

 

This is the best description of "old time religion" I have yet to see. Being about 53, I enjoy the old hymns, I do get tired of some of the "quit smoking and drinking" messages that completely skip the reason we are in church in the first place. I did the sound for Gene Bartlett (look under authors in the back of your hymnal -- if it is old enough) and his songs were considered NEW when I was just out of college. I remember the songs we sang at church camp. They were all new and no different than many of the newer songs.

I do not like some of the modern songs, and many I do. I don't like the "rap" songs that are played by modern "Christian" radio stations that often use curse words and but as things change they often become liberal for a period and then will float back to more Biblical ways.

I get tired of (have family members in an IFB church) where the women are submissive and they cannot do anything, I mean anything without asking their husbands and the pastor berates children of three years old for drawing on the bulletin instead of listening to his yelling. I visit to see my kids and grandkids, but I get tired of young seminary students coming in and preaching and being rated by the pastor on how much or loud they yell about our sins rather than the content of the message.

I get tired of skipping from one verse in the OT to one in the New to prove that the KJV is the ONLY Bible God has for the English speaking people. You can make the Bible say anything if you skip around and not provide context of who you are listening to, the reason they are talking and what prose they are using. For instance, modern end-times are taken from OT verses that were intended for the old nation of Israel.

I get tired of hearing how perfect Israel is and if we don't back them we are going to be cursed when Israel is one of the highest ratios of athiests in the world and is also considered a "party" country by our sailors who take port there for R&R and love it because you can party and there few morales. (I've been there before I was saved and partied with the soldiers (boys and girls) and I know. I also have Jewish friends who are about as athiest as you can be and laugh when churches talk about the Holy Israel of today. (Now, don't get me wrong. I am military civilian and Israel is one of our best allies and we need to keep it that way, but that is from a strategic point of view. Most of these preachers don't even know that probably half of the citizens of Israel are Arabs who were adopted in as citizens as part of the new agreement when the state was formed after Jews slowly and quietly bought up land to start a new state.

I don't have a problem with hearing a preacher say that we need to be different in the world at our work place in the way we talk, dress and we should be modest, but not at the expense of WHY we should do this.

And I get tired of being told the Southern Baptist Church down the street is just flat "evil" because they have a drum in their Sunday morning worship and they use the "Non-Inspired Bible" (NIV) (please excuse this, it is just a quote from a true believing pastor who thinks he has the answers.

Old fashioned: You hit it on the head. It is what you grew up with, just like I listen to the music on a radio station that I listened to while I was in college rather than today's music my kids listen to. I remember my parents cringing when I was old enough to drive and controlled the radio. They didn't scold me, they understood that my music just didn't sound like the music they listened to. Is the world becoming more evil? Sure, but doesn't the Bible say it will--after all Satan is the king of this world. So, we need to discern what is BIBLICAL and what is just "Old Fashioned" for the sake of feeling good when we leave our church.

By the way, this same IFB church has a huge pot-luck dinner about twice a month at a minimum and they laugh at their sin of overindulging and all of the men having pot-bellies. This is old fashioned.

 

Actually, Don is correct in his assessment of what "Old Time Religion" is. The OP left room for subjectivity. Only to slam others later who don't agree with him on it. Thus, the OP was written in such a way as to go either way and any way, according to the author of it.

By his conclusions of what it is, the OP could've been phrased differently, such as "Old Time Religion isn't true Biblical Church Worship/Why is it not True Church Worship, or similar to NT type."

By the way, the way they "did church" in NT times was old time religion to some, and certainly they saw changes, and got their feathers ruffled. It's nothing new.

Again, the OP is written in order to slam others and get into an arguing fit with others. Kind of like a teacher getting up in SS after studying an obscure passage in detail, then expecting the students to have the same answers immediately on the spot, when they've not looked at it, and looking condescendingly on them for it. Seen it happen.

No difference here.

 

and this thread has served its purpose of belittling IFBs and making fun of KJV Bible holders.

I would like to see it closed.

 

Well, I'd still like to see Luke explain to Bob about the "redneck" comment....

 

I wouldn't worry too much. Those of us who are rednecks by birth know we are and are somewhat proud of it. We're not insulted.

And those of you who are not rednecks know Luke wasn't talking about you, so you have no reason to be upset.

There are a few rednecks who don't think they are, so maybe they are upset. But they shouldn't be because Luke described them accurately.

Most people who call us rednecks think it's a putdown. We rednecks aren't sensitive enough to get bent out of shape. So we really don't mind. So when we hear it, we flash out teeth in a big grin (or maybe we flash our tooth).

It's really not a big deal.

 

Oh, it's not being called a redneck that was offensive; it was the indication that "redneck worship" was somehow "lesser" than other forms of worship that I think Bob was calling him on.

 

This is not a drive by post. I read with hurting and disgust the malicious attacks on brothers in the gospel. Look at what Paul wrote :

Old time religion is not something from my childhood it is God given, spirit filled church. "Old time religion" is not a mockery as has been portray here. If you want to know what true "old time religion" maybe we all should consider:

I feel that I have found that old path.

I'm probably one of those that would be considered having "redneck religion"; we sing lined out hymns written by Watts, Newton, Toplady, and others. We don't have Piano's, guiters, or drums. You will not hear rock gospel, rap, or contemporary country gospel coming from our churches. Our ministers are not seminary educated but we have some of the most educated men preaching the gospel you will find anywhere. Where did they get the education? From God! They are God called men full of the Holy Ghost that fulfill the qualifications as set down in 1 Timothy 3.


As dcorbett said

The belittling of each other needs to stop!!!!!

 

That's why I say if what you believe Old Time Religion to be, then you are correct. It's subjective. Whatever it means to you, you are correct.

:thumbsup:

This OP was written to malign and mock others.

It's foolishness. Period.

 

Are you saying that there is hatred for the "Old School" churches that prompted the thread....I did not perceive it that way. Rather I believe it was a commentary on churches that become pompous & arrogant in their "ways of doing things". Now I dont know if I'm accurate in this understanding, but we all have to measure our sincerity in "Going to God" & worshiping sincerely. That I believe was the intent of the post & not a planned attack on any given group.

Now if I can speak to the Old School Baptist Churches.....(1) We have been around for a very long time & (2) our ways can at times appear strange to ....how do I say this...."More Contemporary Brethren." But at the end of the day I hope they realize that we are Christian Believing People who deserve the respect due us & if you do not share that understanding well then thats your problem.:smilewinkgrin: