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What is "Old Time Religion"
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Just another drive-by post- typical. Welcome back. You haven't changed much, have you?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
Seems to me you offered derogatory remarks to all IFBers, knowing full well that they'd be offended; yet, when they didn't react the way you expected, you've been playing it off as "they don't visit this thread." Seems to me you owe a blanket apology to all those you lumped into one category.
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Luke....the devil you know is better than the one:laugh: you dont know
And weren't the Scot's originally Calvinistic Presbyterians? Funny how that gets lost.
Anyway my faith roots today are largely represented by the Old School Churches....still Doctrines of Grace.
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This article by a friend of mine exemplifies the issues:
http://baptistpress.com/bpnews.asp?id=35439
Meanwhile, those of us over 50 (many at least -- my own church reflects the younger style noted above) think that the new expression of church has gone off the deep end as far as "old time religion" is concerned. Interesting and ironic how a return to a more serious form of Christian expression -- carefully testing and aligning with Scripture instead of traditional interpretations of Scripture are driving the church forward while at the same time being opposed BY the church for doing so.
http://baptistpress.com/bpnews.asp?id=35439
Meanwhile, those of us over 50 (many at least -- my own church reflects the younger style noted above) think that the new expression of church has gone off the deep end as far as "old time religion" is concerned. Interesting and ironic how a return to a more serious form of Christian expression -- carefully testing and aligning with Scripture instead of traditional interpretations of Scripture are driving the church forward while at the same time being opposed BY the church for doing so.
This describes me almost to a tee.
I praise God for this revival of REAL OLD TIME RELIGION among the youth today.
Psalm 46 (KJB)
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
God is our refuge and strength, a very present help in trouble.
Therefore will not we fear, though the earth be removed, and though the mountains be carried into the midst of the sea;
Though the waters thereof roar and be troubled, though the mountains shake with the swelling thereof. Selah.
There is a river, the streams whereof shall make glad the city of God, the holy place of the tabernacles of the most High.
God is in the midst of her; she shall not be moved: God shall help her, and that right early.
The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.
The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
Come, behold the works of the LORD, what desolations he hath made in the earth.
He maketh wars to cease unto the end of the earth; he breaketh the bow, and cutteth the spear in sunder; he burneth the chariot in the fire.
Be still, and know that I am God: I will be exalted among the heathen, I will be exalted in the earth.
The LORD of hosts is with us; the God of Jacob is our refuge. Selah.
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Many years ago I volunteered to help a church assemble a church library. At our first meeting, one of the older men in the group told the rest of us about the history of that church--how the founders thought the other churches did not follow the New Testament example. At this, another in our group, a church librarian from another church, almost fell out of her chair laughing--
...Bob
"Isn't that how they all got started!"
...Bob
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Acts 2:41
"Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls."
And these people really "envision" [whatever that means] NT-era churches having stained glass windows, "Lent", and their "updated" musical arrangements?
Bizarre.
The apology was sincere. Read the paragraph again; do you not find the word "offensive" in there?
You actually don't believe you've done anything that anyone would find offensive, do you? Yet, if we make similar comments about you, you immediately require an apology.
And you call me "hypocritical."
Are you going to offer an apology to IFBers for making derogatory comments about them?
Amen. What America really needs is none of the above, but believers down on their knees, praying for an old fashioned, Holy Spirit sent revival. Buildings, type of music, liturgy, requirements, all of those are surface items.
Every time we go to the States we are shocked at how far it has slipped morally and spiritually. We're bracing for culture shock again when we go on furlough in the fall. America won't be changed through political action, fancy buildings, proper music, etc. May God send revival to America.
It doesn't matter if a church is IFB, SBC, Reformed Baptist, whatever. The need for and requirements for revival are the same.
So sad....and our church prays for revival every time we meet - that souls would be saved.
They had not had time nor resources.
What they did have was an Old Testament that revealed to them a God who expected their best in worship.
Solomon's Temple was built for the VERY SAME GOD under the instruction of the VERY SAME GOD. God was VERY meticulous in his expectations of that temple and the order of worship therein.
God identified the final straw with Israel in the book of Malachi. He said it was sloppy worship in chapter one.
So when the Church obtained the resources she did build such edifices in which she worshiped her God.
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No. Not if none of them ask for one.
Are you personally offended?
If you are I will apologize to you for inadvertently lumping you in with that crowd.
What I do not do is take back my description of that crowd. It is real. It is predominant in my area among IFBs.
It has not manifested itself on this particular thread- good.
But it has before on this site and it is here in this culture in large numbers.
And true revival will result in the best worship possible.
It will not be sloppy, unorganized or "red-neck", imo (unless, as I said, that is the best those particular revived Christians can do).
"In your area among IFBs." Did you just make a conclusion about an denomination that spans the entire world, based on "your area"? Isn't that what you intellectual types call an "over-generalization logic error"?
"It has before on this site" - I've been on this site a LOT longer than you have. In your own words, please provide the proof.
"In this culture in large numbers." Which culture? Southern? United States? I can tell you for a FACT that it doesn't exist in the culture where I currently live--which is a part of the United States. In fact, if you come into my IFB church wearing a tie, you'll be the odd man out.
"No, not if none of them ask for one." The way I was raised, I was taught that if you say something bad about someone, and you find out it ain't necessarily true, you don't wait for that person to ask you to own up to it; you make it right as soon as you can. Otherwise, the folks around you just shake their heads and speak about how you say nasty, untrue things about folks.
Funny thing is, seeing as how I lived in your area (Mississippi) for a few years, I was kinda under the impression that that's how folks in your area are raised, too. Or maybe it's only the uneducated ones?
I'm not looking for a personal apology, Luke. I identified a logic error of over-generalization on your part, and I'm looking for you to apologize to the entire group of people that you've identified based on a subset.
You introduced a premise; you admitted that you expected certain responses from IFBers; you didn't get those responses, and you spoke negatively about IFBers. I may be the only one that called you on that; but I believe you owe an apology to the IFBers who responded to you for making an unfair characterization of IFBers.
Suffice to say, it's obvious you don't see that you've committed any errors. Of the IFBers who have responded to you (and there have been a few; you only have to look at their personal profiles to find out who they are), you don't care if you've inadvertently lumped them into your categorization of "that crowd." But I expect you'll try to say that you know there are some IFBers different than the ones you're identifying; and that an intelligent person would understand that you're only talking about "that crowd." And then, further on, I expect you'll get around to saying that you don't need to apologize to the ones who have posted here, because they're obviously not the ones you were talking about.
In other words, I expect no apologies from you, and you've fulfilled those expectations.
For the record: I don't identify all Calvinists based on you, Luke.
What's wrong with "red neck"? What exactly do "red necks" do that doesn't honor Christ?
I hadn't realized you were so prejudiced.
Did I just comprehend your post correctly? You started this thread talking about misconceptions about "old time religion"; then you just indicated that there's a "more correct" way to conduct worship?
I hear "elitism" raising its ugly head....
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