What is so darn CHRISTIAN about the Republican Party?

[Wesley Briggman]

So the fact that they believed in a creator is hogwash?

No, this statement in the preamble to the DOI. None of its points have a Biblical basis.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

1) All (two) created humans were not equal.
2) If you assume the creator referred to is the God of the Bible, He did not endow all men with anything.
3) Again, God did not issue any unalienable rights to all men.
4) The rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness were not issued by God to all of mankind.

This entire statement is hogwash!

 

[Reformed1689]

No, this statement in the preamble to the DOI. None of its points have a Biblical basis.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

1) All (two) created humans were not equal.
2) If you assume the creator referred to is the God of the Bible, He did not endow all men with anything.
3) Again, God did not issue any unalienable rights to all men.
4) The rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness were not issued by God to all of mankind.

This entire statement is hogwash!

Then I guess you should move out of the United States.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Then I guess you should move out of the United States.

Surely you endorse freedom of speech. Then again, maybe not!

 

[Reformed1689]

Surely you endorse freedom of speech. Then again, maybe not!

I do, but if you think the Country is based on hogwash, why stay?

 

[Roy]

In response to this thread title, it seems that the Republican Party offers better options for Christian voters than the Democrat Party. I don't think it is a "Christian party."

From Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
"Hegel's Dialectics"
The dialectical process thus constitutes Hegel’s method for arguing against the earlier, less sophisticated definitions or views and for the more sophisticated ones later. Hegel regarded this dialectical method or “speculative mode of cognition”

It looks like the thread originator took a simple view (Christians like the Republican Party) then blew it all out of proportion trying to make Christian Republicans feel guilty for not accepting the Godless philosophies of the Democrat Party.

This kind of twisted reasoning is like the old argument "If God is loving God, then why is there hunger and war in the world?" Issues like this are designed to create division and weaken a person's concepts. Totally non constructive.

 

[robustheologian]

In what way, shape or form is a vote for the Republican Party the "Christian" thing to do?

That's just it...it isn't. But the Right is clearly delusional. After all, they're the ones who sent people to election centers to do their chanting in tongues.

 

[Alcott]

This whole silly thread comes down to identification politics. Republicans say a lot about abortion so they can continue to boast "we're against abortions and they're not!" Democrats say a lot about the environment so they can continue to say "we want to save our environment and they don't!" So there are millions of abortions and Antarctica and Greenland keep melting, and neither party accomplishes anything except benefits for their members in office. Identity politics and greed over the common suckers. I doubt if Tom Payne and Tom Jefferson would really be surprised.

 

[SGO]

Donald Trump’s Pro-Life Achievements (2016-2020)

 

[Scott Downey]

[Acts 4:32-37 NIV]

32 All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of their possessions was their own, but they shared everything they had. 33 With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. And God's grace was so powerfully at work in them all 34 that there were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned land or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales 35 and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone who had need. 36 Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means "son of encouragement"), 37 sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet.​

Socialism or Communism?
It is not Capitalism.

They were dedicated Christians, the church, socialists today are secular profane humanists having no God.

 

[atpollard]

They were dedicated Christians, the church, socialists today are secular profane humanists having no God.

Then the issue is SIN in the human heart and not "Capitalism" vs. "Socialism".
Does that mean the Church should focus on fighting SIN?

 

[KenH]

Does that mean the Church should focus on fighting SIN?

Absolutely! And we are our own worst enemy with rescue coming only from God through Christ Jesus:

“For I delight in the law of God, in my inner being, but I see in my members another law waging war against the law of my mind and making me captive to the law of sin that dwells in my members. Wretched man that I am! Who will deliver me from this body of death? Thanks be to God through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, I myself serve the law of God with my mind, but with my flesh I serve the law of sin.” - ‭‭Romans‬ ‭7:22-25‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Scott Downey]

Then the issue is SIN in the human heart and not "Capitalism" vs. "Socialism".
Does that mean the Church should focus on fighting SIN?

Secular profane humanists are part of the mystery of lawlessness (iniquity) working in this world, which means it is demonic.

What does the church have to do with the world, you cant drink the cup of the Lord and the cup of demons.

And you cant fix sin. Fighting sin? What is that? If you mean try to restrain the sinful world through laws and regulations, maybe. But the LEFT rejects law.
They want prisons emptied, and police defunded and no restraint on their behaviors.
And the LEFT wants laws rewritten, they say they are all based on white privilege.
All I see is doom and disaster coming for this society if it pursues the LEFT's agendas.

 

[KenH]

Fighting sin? What is that?

“The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.” - Romans‬ ‭13:12-14‬ ‭ESV‬‬ (emphasis mine)

 

[Scott Downey]

“The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires.” - Romans‬ ‭13:12-14‬ ‭ESV‬‬ (emphasis mine)

Appropriate for Christians , has nothing to do with the LEFT who is allied with this world.
If a LEFT Christian person tries to reform the LEFT into godliness and peace, you wont succeed, maybe will be terminated.

You cant fix stupid, You cant put new wine into old wine skins, that is why you must be born again to have the Spirit of God and godliness.

You cant instill godliness into people of this world.

 

[KenH]

Appropriate for Christians

Appropriate for all humans, male and female, Jew and Gentile.

“that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.” - ‭‭2 Corinthians‬ ‭5:19-20‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Scott Downey]

My POV is the RIGHT restrains the LEFT and its evil better than anything else can (except a war with many deaths), not that the RIGHT is all about godliness, they aren't. the evils of the LEFT far exceed what happens with the RIGHT. The LEFT wants to overthrow everything good about living in the US.
Sorry, but I dont want to experience a totalitarian socialist LEFT and its goons and gulags.

Socialism demands only itself to govern as one party rule. And it crushes it's opposition if it gains power.

Stuff like this is all the rage in the democratic left right now, AOC etc...
"How Do You Deprogram 75 Million People?" - California Democrat Calls For "Post WWII" Reeducation For Trump Supporters

 

[KenH]

My POV is the RIGHT restrains the LEFT and its evil better than anything else can

No, that would be through the gospel, not through fleshly means. As Christians we do not fight like the world does.

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” - ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.” - 2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3‬ ‭ESV‬‬

 

[Scott Downey]

No, that would be through the gospel, not through fleshly means. As Christians we do not fight like the world does.

“But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.” - ‭‭Galatians‬ ‭5:22-23‬ ‭ESV‬‬

“For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh.” - 2 Corinthians‬ ‭10:3‬ ‭ESV‬‬

What really happens though is evil men and imposters get worse and worse, and the world persecutes the church, for example here
Revelation 13:7
It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation.

The church has suffered much violent persecution and still is from all the world. The spiritual warfare your talking about 'pulling down strongholds', yes, but God does not always answer those prayers does HE in this lifetime, and does not apply to the world.

2 Thess 1
4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer; 6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with tribulation those who trouble you,

The restrainer mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2, when he is taken out of the way, is archangel Michael, (not God or the church) who in scripture wages war with the devil-dragon-beast, as it says in Jude and Daniel regarding angelic powers waging warfare.

I am not ever going to run for political office, the RIGHT will always get my vote, simple because they are less evil than the alternative, and I and family have to live in this place a while longer.

Here is the context, notice verse 5 and 6...
3 For though we walk in the flesh, we do not war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not carnal but mighty in God for pulling down strongholds, 5 casting down arguments and every high thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God, bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ, 6 and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled.

NOW what are the STRONGHOLDS? The world?? No. v5 and 6 is talking about believers every thought. We do not bring every thought of the world into captivity to Christ, that is impossible. This is talking about prayer for the church, building up the church and standing firm against the wiles and designs of satan against the church, as in corrupting the message of the gospel. Paul warned about fierce wolves coming in and tearing up the sheep, Peter wrote a lot about the false teachers in the church who will be among you.

That is what casting down strongholds is about.

 

[KenH]

the RIGHT will always get my vote, simple because they are less evil than the alternative

Nope. Sounds like you are arguing that one set of corrupt, worldly Americans is better than another set of corrupt, worldly Americans on the basis of the lesser of a choice of evils. As Christians we are not to choose any evil. Which circles back around to the idea of whether Christians should even be involved in worldly politics. There are a lot of tough choices for Christians in this sin-sick world. What we must do is show grace to one another as Christians when dealing with the decisions we make on difficult subjects, just as Paul admonished in Romans concerning eating meat sacrificed to idols, etc.

Come, Lord Jesus!

 

[Scott Downey]

Nope. Sounds like you are arguing that one set of corrupt, worldly Americans is better than another set of corrupt, worldly Americans on the basis of the lesser of a choice of evils. As Christians we are not to choose any evil. Which circles back around to the idea of whether Christians should even be involved in worldly politics. There are a lot of tough choices for Christians in this sin-sick world. What we must do is show grace to one another as Christians when dealing with the decisions we make on difficult subjects, just as Paul admonished in Romans concerning eating meat sacrificed to idols, etc.

Come, Lord Jesus!

Well then for you, dont vote at all.

I vote for the set of politicians I think will make my life and families less problematic, and more peaceful. LEFT is ripping up everything and wants to destroy, sorry , they will never get my vote.

The LEFT is a religion too, totally zealots. I dont want to make them stronger.

Chuck Schumer at NYC celebration: "Now we take Georgia and then we change America"
https://twitter.com/StatusCoup/status/1325153416063152128

Change it into what exactly...