Uh, did someone say we are?
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What is so darn CHRISTIAN about the Republican Party?
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Uh, did someone say we are?
KenH
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Example: David was called a "man after God's own heart". Yet, he committed adultery and he had Bathsheba's husband killed.
Christians are saved, but we are not freed from our corrupt, sinful nature while on this earth. We are still quite capable of doing or supporting horrible, heinous activities. As God extends His grace to us, we must also extend grace to others, especially on controversial subjects such as politics and eschatology where Christians hold so many varying opinions.
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Scott Downey
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David though was chosen of God to be the king over Israel.
Saul has killed his thousands, David his ten thousands.
God does have enemies, and God will destroy all of them.
People that God has saved, are not His enemies as they are born of God, only they get saved.
The others persecute His people.
Socialists have a long history of persecuting the church.
agreed, but also should support those who have a more Biblical world view!
Reformed1689
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I don't understand what you are asking.
I am asking: If you can supply any Biblical truth in the disputed statement, please provide it. I prefer to engage in debate whereby I might gain insight into your defense of the statement you claim is the basis for this country. Surely you are willing and able to comply with my request.
I know my claim that the statement in the DOI is "hogwash", is a hard pill to swallow but that does not invalidate the truth of it.
You would not be the first to choke on it, disregard my position by ignoring it, and not being able to defend your position with scripture.
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Reformed1689
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Life, the fact that God created in the first place shows that we have a basic God-Given right to live at His pleasure and not at the pleasure of Men.
Liberty, slavery is not biblical.
Pursuit of Happiness, this is really the only statement you may have a point with. But we would need to have a discussion on what that phrase actually means.
evenifigoalone
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Not much, especially nowadays. They're corrupt and don't stick to their stated mission to "keep government small". I may have drifted away from the right wing over the years, but there's a reason I'm third party.
Statement from the Declaration of Independence that I consider "hogwash":
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
The statement claims that all men are endowed with the unalienable right to life. In addition, it is a self-evident truth.
Your response does not validate their "hogwash"! It is hard to defend the indefensible.
[Gal 5:1 KJV] 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[Rom 6:16 KJV] 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants(G401) to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Strong's G1401
1. a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
2. a slave
3. metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
4. devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
5. a servant, attendant
"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable rights, that among these are ... the pursuit of happiness."
If this concept is a Biblically sound unalienable right, it would be supported in scripture. It is not, because it to is "hogwash".
Finally, there is no scripture that even suggests that God created all two humans, Adam and Eve, equal, or endowed all men with unalienable rights, certain or otherwise, such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."
The statement claims that all men are endowed with the unalienable right to life. In addition, it is a self-evident truth.
Your response does not validate their "hogwash"! It is hard to defend the indefensible.
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[Gal 5:1 KJV] 1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[Rom 6:16 KJV] 16 Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants(G401) to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?
Strong's G1401
1. a slave, bondman, man of servile condition
2. a slave
3. metaph., one who gives himself up to another's will those whose service is used by Christ in extending and advancing his cause among men
4. devoted to another to the disregard of one's own interests
5. a servant, attendant
"...all men are created equal, that they are endowed with certain unalienable rights, that among these are ... the pursuit of happiness."
If this concept is a Biblically sound unalienable right, it would be supported in scripture. It is not, because it to is "hogwash".
Finally, there is no scripture that even suggests that God created all two humans, Adam and Eve, equal, or endowed all men with unalienable rights, certain or otherwise, such as life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.