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I'm not walking back anything. Numbers 15 talks about the consequence of willful sin which is amplified in heb 10. If you wish to know more, refer to the thread "Willful sin kills you". A saved person cannot openly defy the Creator (he's not truly saved then).

It would depend how your group is setup to decide things. If you're big enough to have elders then that would be governing body of the group. If its a small group, it would probably be by vote.

The sabbath begins at the going down of the sun. Evening to evening.

If you wish to know more on how to observe this eternal commandment so that you are not cut off from life, don't hesitate to ask. This is very important.

 

Its not how it works in my world, its all about how it works in His Kingdom.

Breaking the sabbath is a violation of the King's mandate. It is a basic tenant of the Kingdom and is designed to both honor the Creator of the universe and allow His subjects rest. Willfully breaking it puts you back under the law (condemnation of it) and tramples upon the blood of the savior who rescued you from the penalties.

1Jn 2:4 The one who says, “I know Him,” and does not guard His commands, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.​

No, they shouldn't be stoned to death, but cast out of the group. There is always a chance for repentance and restoration. Allowing open sinners in your group puts to shame the name of the Father (like Israel was a shame to Him in their disobedience). ​

 

Actually I haven't....,.I consider it all "Blah, Blah, Blah. My intent is to debate you (and others) on your original statement about why people are so loyal to Roman Catholic Religion.

 

That was a singular event. The people didn't know what to do with the man so they held him and let YHVH decide his fate.

If the same sin happens today, that doesn't mean we can stone him without the authority to do so. There are certain sins that merit instant capital punishment, but that has to be done through a legal system.

Do you not wish to know the truth of sabbath and instead try to shift the subject? Obedience is paramount to salvation.

 

OK.....it is not my position to judge another person's salvation. That's God's job.....but I did read earlier that Utilyan indicate that we can save ourselves. If so, I would like him to substantiate it with scripture. See when I read scripture like Ephesians 2: 1-10 ... I see something different. Also:

John 3New International Version (NIV)
Jesus Teaches Nicodemus
3 Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2 He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

3 Jesus replied, “Very truly I tell you, no one can see the kingdom of God unless they are born again.a]">[a]”

4 “How can someone be born when they are old?” Nicodemus asked. “Surely they cannot enter a second time into their mother’s womb to be born!”


5 Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are born of water and the Spirit. 6 Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spiritb]">[b] gives birth to spirit. 7 You should not be surprised at my saying, ‘Youc]">[c] must be born again.’ 8 The wind blows wherever it pleases. You hear its sound, but you cannot tell where it comes from or where it is going. So it is with everyone born of the Spirit.”d]">[d]

9 “How can this be?” Nicodemus asked.

10 “You are Israel’s teacher,” said Jesus, “and do you not understand these things? 11 Very truly I tell you, we speak of what we know, and we testify to what we have seen, but still you people do not accept our testimony. 12 I have spoken to you of earthly things and you do not believe; how then will you believe if I speak of heavenly things? 13 No one has ever gone into heaven except the one who came from heaven—the Son of Man.e]">[e] 14 Just as Moses lifted up the snake in the wilderness, so the Son of Man must be lifted up,f]">[f] 15 that everyone who believes may have eternal life in him.”g]">[g]

16 For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. 20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God.

 

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Thank you so much for your testimony. There are many more who have had similar experiences including myself.

Curious: we hear a lot about the so-called Baptists who have converted to the RCC. If the real stats were available, the vast majority of converts have come out of darkness into the marvelous light of the real Jesus of the Bible--not found in the Catechism.

Surf: Baptist Heritage and Baptist Distinctives.

There are a lot of pseudo Baptists out there. Also, many who think it doesn't matter. We will all be giving an account to the One who made us. We have no excuses.

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Lord bless.

Bro. James

 

All that has happened to you folks who have left the Catholic Church and orthodoxy is that you now believe a different interpretation of the Holy Scriptures - that is all you got.

You are now following men who came up with stuff 1400 plus years after the Universal Christian Church continued on the work of teaching all of Christendom. I'll stick with the experts, thank you very much and if I wasn't a Roman Catholic I would follow the teachings of our Eastern Orthodox brothers.

Jason left the Latin Rite and entered into a real abomination that can't even follow the truth of keeping kosher, let alone the truth of Trinitarian Christianity. The rest of you are spread out amongst other equally confusing and misleading Christian sects.

I mean really, why haven't you folks joined Jason, or why hasn't Jason joined you? Which of you folks has the truth???????

 

No, all you did was to A. Start interpreting the Scriptures yourself. Or B. Start believing someone else's interpretation of the Bible.

A little history here - it all started with Martin Luther who tore the Bible apart, then all the others like Wycliffe, Wesley, Zwingli, down the road to SDA's, the JW's, etc. Which one of those folks got it all right? Hah, it's hard to choose, isn't it? They all rejected orthodoxy, which one did you choose? So how do you know you are getting the correct teaching?

 

Orthodoxy has Jesus in the flesh, why would I want to go anywhere else? That's good solid Christian teaching from the beginning of the Universal Church. Look at the historical record, right from the beginning with the Apostles and the early Bishops of the Universal Christian Church. It is only the error filled interpretation by men some 1400 plus years down the road that gave you what you believe about this.

 

Oh please, that's all we are dealing with here - interpretation. We look at the same passages yet we come to different meanings - so how can this be? I'll go with the Holy Spirit in conjunction with the Church that has been teaching this stuff for over 2000 years. My guy didn't show up in the 15th century and start spouting different things - yours did.