What is the Religion of the Beast

[Reynolds]

I would say yes, both Democrats and Islam is anti-Christ. Islam is the greatest evil the planet has ever endured. Democrats just don't care how much they enable them. Why would they, 80 - 90% of Muslim's vote Democrat!

The problem is the umbrella is getting too big. How can the dems keep the homos and the Muslims under the same umbrella? Muslims and Jews?

 

[blacksheep]

The problem is the umbrella is getting too big. How can the dems keep the homos and the Muslims under the same umbrella? Muslims and Jews?

There are dozens of misconceptions about the last days by the 'experts'.

There will NOT be a one world government, religion, or unification of world religions coming in the last days.

There will NOT be a 7 year covenant brokered by the anti-Christ between Israel and the world in the last days.

There will NOT be a Temple rebuilt in the last days.

The religion of the beast is Islam and it is obviously worldwide with about 1.8 billion followers. However, the ISLAMIC kingdom of the anti-Christ and false prophet is limited to and situated in the geographical area of the Middle-East and the Arab world, especially Iraq and headquartered from the Dome of the Rock or Al'aqsa mosque. The Mark isn't worldwide either but limited to the anti-Christ kingdom.

Islamic terrorism will launch the world into tribulation.

 

[kyredneck]

That our Lord's earthly ministry was first and foremost to the Jews is not at issue.

What's at issue is that it happened. In a large way. To that generation. It's fulfilled prophecy.

 

[kyredneck]

"In the New Testament prophecies are not made to point to facts, but facts to point back to prophecies." Alfred Edersheim

here are dozens of misconceptions about the last days by the 'experts'.

There will NOT be a one world government, religion, or unification of world religions coming in the last days.

There will NOT be a 7 year covenant brokered by the anti-Christ between Israel and the world in the last days.

There will NOT be a Temple rebuilt in the last days.

The religion of the beast is Islam and it is obviously worldwide with about 1.8 billion followers. However, the ISLAMIC kingdom of the anti-Christ and false prophet is limited to and situated in the geographical area of the Middle-East and the Arab world, especially Iraq and headquartered from the Dome of the Rock or Al'aqsa mosque. The Mark isn't worldwide either but limited to the anti-Christ kingdom.

Islamic terrorism will launch the world into tribulation.

Lol. and you declare it with such assuredness! All you futurists think you're entitled to utter prophecies.

You should accept Edersheim's words of wisdom.

 

[Lodic]

No, Rome did NOT nearly collapse with Nero's suicide. The "Pax Romana" remained firmly in place, the Senate & tribune system still functioned efficiently. The only problem was at the very top, with several men trying to be Caesar til Vespasian routed them & restored a stable Caesarship.

And, by admitting Nero's suicide, toy've countered your claim that Nero was the "beast", and here's why:

rev. 19: 20 Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he deceived those who received the mark of the beast and those who worshipedhis image. These two were cast alive into the lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Yes, the Roman Empire did nearly collapse from within with the "Year of the Four Emperors" before Vespasian took over. "The Beast" refers to both Rome and Nero. That's why Nero's suicide supports this case. Still not sure about the details of Rev. 19:20. This may refer to final judgment. Regardless, it doesn't sway me to rejoin the "futurist" camp.

 

[Lodic]

That is about right but I can't see why that should be unpopular on a Bapist Forum.

I would say that you are correct in that The Beast whose fatal wound had been healed was the Roman Empire, but wrong in your timing. Rome split into 10 separate kingdoms which was the fatal wound, but was revived in the papacy. The Popes claims to the title Pont Max, is the title of the Roman emperprs since Julius Ceasar. Caesar was High Priest amd king of the pagan religion and the Pope is now, in the revived empire.

The only reason I believe this is not a popular "Baptist" view is because it could weaken the "futurist" views. We disagree on the timing, but agree in principle that "the Beast" points to Rome.

 

[poor-in-spirit]

The religion of the beast is leftist ideology. He has already taken over the last three generations through the public education systems of the industrialized world. The faculties have increasingly been made up of the "priests" of this new morality (against all that is Bible Based) and have proselytized children and young adults into their religion right under our noses.
Rome will legitimize this new morality when the time comes (allot sooner than most think I am starting to wonder). This current pope is moving their canon farther left every day now.

https://www.jesussaidwhat.com/trump-derangement-or-strong-delusio

 

[Lodic]

Preterism is pure heresy and an abomination and I'm tired of defending futurism on this or any eschatology thread. On the forums that haven't banned Preterism, Preterist destroy eschatology threads. So please, take the heresy of Preterism over onto the other Preterist threads. I prefer to debunk it there. I should have known that whenever I start a thread to label it "futurist only."

Brother, I had been under the impression that this was a forum to actually discuss our different views. In this case, to answer what our views are regarding the "religion of the Beast". Obviously only one view is going to be correct, and even then we can't be positive. Is this turning into a "Preterist Bashing" thread instead of a true discussion of our views? Nobody is trying to convince anyone else to change their views, but I thought everyone was free to express what they think. I get it that this is the minority view. What I don't get is being practically accused of heresy.

 

[Lodic]

Yes, preterism cheapens the coming most-glorious event there'll be in the history of mortal man - the return of Jesus in His full power & glory!

How does preterism "cheapen" the return of Christ? Whether He came in judgment in AD 70 or we still look to His 2nd Advent, His coming is just as glorious, and still fulfills the Father's plan.

 

[David Kent]

Did they stop in AD 70? Are there no wars today, no famines, diseases or earthquakes?

There always will be, but that is not the point. Wars were not a sign of the End of the Jewish economy, the armies surrounding Jerusalem were.

 

[David Kent]

Preterism is pure heresy and an abomination and I'm tired of defending futurism on this or any eschatology thread. On the forums that haven't banned Preterism, Preterist destroy eschatology threads. So please, take the heresy of Preterism over onto the other Preterist threads. I prefer to debunk it there. I should have known that whenever I start a thread to label it "futurist only."

Then you could be all pals together, back slapping each other.

I think preterism is wrong, but I think futurism is a heresy,

 

[David Kent]

You vote Democrat is the religion of the beast? Kool. Democrats are enabling Islam, the religion of the beast as we speak!

That shows how deranged you are.

 

[David Kent]

In Isaiah 10:5,6, the Assyrian is seen to be the rod of God's anger, the club of His wrath, who will be sent against a godless nation, (Israel) against a people who anger God.

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Assyrians don't exist any more. As do many of the other nations mentioned in the OT. That verse refers to the Assyrians attacking Israel and exiling them. That happened over 2500 years ago.

Lucifer refers to that Babylonian king who overthrew Judah and took tghem into captivity.

 

[blacksheep]

"In the New Testament prophecies are not made to point to facts, but facts to point back to prophecies." Alfred Edersheim



Lol. and you declare it with such assuredness! All you futurists think you're entitled to utter prophecies.

You should accept Edersheim's words of wisdom.

I accept the results of my studies. I know Preterism is a hoax.

I'm certain of some of my interpretations, and some I'm not. When I'm unsure I keep an open mind and I. change my mind when the evidence is there to do so. Some Futurist put effort in understanding prophecy, too many of them read and believe what the 'experts' teach. I've always done my own research using a sensible hermeneutic which starts by using documents as close to the original text as possible, doing words studies, looking at dates, etc.

One thing I am sure of, Preterist put no effort in understanding prophecy. They accept "line, hook, and sinker, the teachings of people even more misled than they are and 'cop out' and say it already happened.

 

[Lodic]

I accept the results of my studies. I know Preterism is a hoax.

I'm certain of some of my interpretations, and some I'm not. When I'm unsure I keep an open mind and I. change my mind when the evidence is there to do so. Some Futurist put effort in understanding prophecy, too many of them read and believe what the 'experts' teach. I've always done my own research using a sensible hermeneutic which starts by using documents as close to the original text as possible, doing words studies, looking at dates, etc.

One thing I am sure of, Preterist put no effort in understanding prophecy. They accept "line, hook, and sinker, the teachings of people even more misled than they are and 'cop out' and say it already happened.

Amind is a terrible

Contrary to your final paragraph above, the average Preterist has put a great deal of effort into studying prophecy. You would be surprised at how much we are alike regarding prophecy study. Like you, I am certain of some of my interpretations, but not all of them. Also, I do try to keep an open mind, and have been known to change it when the evidence pointed to something that I did not previously believe. (That's how I came to become a Partial Preterist in the first place.)

You state that we just "cop out" and say that it's already happened. How is that any different than us saying that y'all just "cop out" and say that everything is still in the future? I mean, whether the events are past or future is precisely what our different views hinge on.

While myself and many fellow Preterists put a lot of effort into understanding prophecy, there are also those who just depend on what others have said. Following the example of the Bereans, doing our own research, considering the original setting, the author's original meaning, trying to understand how the original audience understood the message, etc. are the best methods of study.

Considering how our hermeneutic methods are so similar, it's a wonder how we arrive at such different conclusions. We depend on the Holy Spirit to lead us, but He doesn't draw our conclusions for us.

 

[blacksheep]

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Assyrians don't exist any more. As do many of the other nations mentioned in the OT. That verse refers to the Assyrians attacking Israel and exiling them. That happened over 2500 years ago.

Lucifer refers to that Babylonian king who overthrew Judah and took tghem into captivity.

There are thousands of Assyrians today and they're mostly Christians. You just don't understand some of the simple virtues in understanding prophecy.
When Isaiah 14 speaks of the Assyrian he's speaking of a person who was born in the region of ancient Assyria.

The word Lucifer is used ONCE in the bible in Isaiah 14 and Isaiah likens him to the Assyrian anti-Christ. Yes the name does figuratively speak of "the king of Babylon."

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

Who is the Assyrian king you're referring to?

Lucifer is the word "heylel" and pronounced "hā·lāl."

Did you know...

The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star." 1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer. Hilal in Arabic means.... Web definition Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol! Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means... Lucifer... aka Satan... aka the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon. We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology!

We put crosses on top of our churches, Islam puts two horns and sometimes a star.

The symbol - notice the TWO HORNS - CRESCENT MOON - AND MORNING STAR...



This is the two horns of the Mecca clock while under construction...

 

[David Kent]

There are thousands of Assyrians today and they're mostly Christians. You just don't understand some of the simple virtues in understanding prophecy.
When Isaiah 14 speaks of the Assyrian he's speaking of a person who was born in the region of ancient Assyria.

The word Lucifer is used ONCE in the bible in Isaiah 14 and Isaiah likens him to the Assyrian anti-Christ. Yes the name does figuratively speak of "the king of Babylon.

Genesis 1:1 (KJV)

1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer.

Who is the Assyrian king you're referring to?

Lucifer is the word "heylel" and pronounced "hā·lāl."

Did you know...

The name Lucifer in Hebrew is Heylel. It comes from the word 'halal' and it means, "The Morning Star." 1966 heylel hay-lale' from 1984 (in the sense of brightness); the morning-star:--lucifer. Hilal in Arabis means.... Web definition Hilāl (هلال) is an Arabic word that means "crescent" or "new moon." It's an Islamic symbol! Heylal, Halal ,and Hilal means... Lucifer... aka Satan... aka the devil... and in Christian literature actually means... The Morning Star and Crescent Moon. We put crosses on top of Churches. Islam has a star and crescent moon. Allah is also known as a moon god in Arabic mythology!

We put crosses on top of our churches, Islam puts two horns and sometimes a star.

The symbol - notice the TWO HORNS - CRESCENT MOON - AND MORNING STAR...

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This is the two horns of the Mecca clock while under construction...

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Of course Islam worships the moon god. We all know that, I hope.

Catholicism worships the consecrated bread, or the host as they call it which represents the sun god. It is held in a monstrance which is a sun image, File:Monstrans.jpg - Wikipedia

We don't put crosses on top of our churches, why would we. The cross was a curse.

 

[blacksheep]

Then you could be all pals together, back slapping each other.

I think preterism is wrong, but I think futurism is a heresy,

If I told you how I truly feel about Preterism I would get banned. Preterism is BANNED on several forums because it's a complete denial of God's Prophetic Word. It perverts the entire book of Revelation and half the book of Daniel and thousands of scriptures. It's an outright abomination and why it's banned from several forums. It has poisoned the well.

 

[tyndale1946]

"In the New Testament prophecies are not made to point to facts, but facts to point back to prophecies." Alfred Edersheim

Lol. and you declare it with such assuredness! All you futurists think you're entitled to utter prophecies.

You should accept Edersheim's words of wisdom.

Are we the original audience?... NO!... We are the spectators!... I rarely go beyond the 1st Century unless it's the 2nd coming of the Lord Jesus Christ, when he comes to resurrect his own and take them back to Heaven... That's the only future I'm concerned about... And You?... Brother Glen

 

[blacksheep]

Of course Islam worships the moon god. We all know that, I hope.

Catholicism worships the consecrated bread, or the host as they call it which represents the sun god. It is held in a monstrance which is a sun image, File:Monstrans.jpg - Wikipedia

We don't put crosses on top of our churches, why would we. The cross was a curse.

Catholicism doesn't worship the bread, and they don't call it the sun god. Yes we do put crosses on top of churches, and the cross is not a curse. That means thousands of Churches are cursed. You're listening to the people who love to demonize Catholicism.

 

[David Kent]

If I told you how I truly feel about Preterism I would get banned. Preterism is BANNED on several forums because it's a complete denial of God's Prophetic word. It perverts the entire book of Revelation and half the book of Daniel and thousands of scriptures. It's an outright abomination and why it's banned from several forums.

I think we all know what you think about preterism. But perhaps you should risk banning and stand up for your beliefs and state them.

Preterism is older than futurism, slightly.

I will tell you what I think the bible says about futurism, and it is more biblical than your rants.

Futurism is a fairly recent inovation and pre tribulation rapturism is even more so.

• 1 Timothy 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;