Well if you don't want her too that's fine. The point is the men are to be the leaders, of their homes and their families. Is a tennage young man married and does he have a home?
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What is the role of women in the Church?
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Well if you don't want her too that's fine. The point is the men are to be the leaders, of their homes and their families. Is a tennage young man married and does he have a home?
Your pronouncement that the teaching was "outside the church"—did you get that from Scripture or some article/book?
Again the word also menas a messenger or delegate. Barnabus was never called an Apostle in any other passage. Notice in Acts 9: 26 And when Saul was come to Jerusalem, he assayed to join himself to the disciples: but they were all afraid of him, and believed not that he was a disciple.
27 But Barnabas took him, and brought him to the apostles, and declared unto them how he had seen the Lord in the way, and that he had spoken to him, and how he had preached boldly at Damascus in the name of Jesus.
Barnabus took Saul to the Apostles not the other apostles. The Acts 14:14 passage is the only reference that says the Apostles and they had been sent out as missionaries by the church. The word should be delegates or messengers in this place. With the grouping Paul was the Apostle that was declared throught out scripture.
But nowhere does it say Andronicus and Junia were apostles and it is very clear that the 12 foundations contain the names of the 12 Apostles of the Lord. So if you fell any will be left out of the original 11 and Paul please let us know which folks are Apostles and will have their name there.
Ephesians 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;
21 In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord:
22 In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
Keeping in mind the Household of God is built upon the foundation of the apostles.
It pretty much say they called him aside, how would you take that? Acts 18:26 And he began to speak boldly in the synagogue: whom when Aquila and Priscilla had heard, they took him unto them, and expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly. Sounds to me like it was a private session. Of course you might take someone unto you with a lot of people around but this seems to say it was private.
Why are you convoluted, words have different meanings and usages even in English. The application of the word is what is central to the meaning. That word means first and foremost a delegate.
wasn't one of the major qualifications that a true Apostle would be one inspired byt he Holy spirit to write and record scripture though?
Barnabus would qualify under that IF he wrote Hebrews, as some hold he did!
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Actually it is perfectly acceptable for a woman to teach anyone...boys, girls, teenagers, other women, and men.
If we are going to be scriptural, of course.
sure, which verse would you cite that God allows/permits woman to teach men as the pastor of a local church than?
So please post the scripture if we are going to be scriptural of course. I have posted scripture upon scripture as many who agree women are not to be pastors, yet to see any scripture not an oped but scripture that says and God called women to teach men or to pastor men in a local church. I have seen Scripture that says Women are not to teach nor usurp the authority of a man, but nothing that contradicts that. Since you evidently have scripture that states a woman can teach a man please post it.
Might befound in that "extra biblical" sources that grouops like the RCC/Mormons like to cite!
What happened at the empty tomb?
Were not women commissioned first with the news of the resurrection?
Can you show me a scripture that says Phillipians 4:3 shows Paul in error, allowing women to serve as evangelists?
Those in favor of the ordination of women have shown many scriptures allowing for it. They just get brushed aside as "not about that."
In Corinthians Paul speaks of how women should be adorned when praying and prophesying (also can be translated preaching) in the church.
So why would God allow it in one part of scripture, and forbid it in another if it is supposed to be forbidden always?
Why would another part of scripture (I John) tell us we need no one to teach us Scripture?
The truth is (IMHO) that women have always served in every function right alongside the men in the big C church--you know, all born again believers regardless of local church membership.
Only in local churches and denominations are they told to sit on their hands and not serve freely.
Of course, there was a time when Baptist men refused to be told they could not preach unless they had been to seminary. They went right on preaching and founding churches and the Baptist way exploded.
Now we have a few folks who want to limit who can function freely in the big C church. And we have the shrinking of the little c church.
Maybe they are related. God replaced (IMHO) the old way of doing His business, the temple and sacrifice, etc, and ethnic Israel with the new Israel, those who believe in Jesus. All that ritual done away with.
But now two thousand years later we are splitting hairs like the Pharisees, arguing who's on first like the moneychangers, and maybe--just maybe--He is writing Ichabod over our doors and taking His business once again out of the hands of the religious big shots.
Food for thought.
Were not women commissioned first with the news of the resurrection?
Can you show me a scripture that says Phillipians 4:3 shows Paul in error, allowing women to serve as evangelists?
Those in favor of the ordination of women have shown many scriptures allowing for it. They just get brushed aside as "not about that."
In Corinthians Paul speaks of how women should be adorned when praying and prophesying (also can be translated preaching) in the church.
So why would God allow it in one part of scripture, and forbid it in another if it is supposed to be forbidden always?
Why would another part of scripture (I John) tell us we need no one to teach us Scripture?
The truth is (IMHO) that women have always served in every function right alongside the men in the big C church--you know, all born again believers regardless of local church membership.
Only in local churches and denominations are they told to sit on their hands and not serve freely.
Of course, there was a time when Baptist men refused to be told they could not preach unless they had been to seminary. They went right on preaching and founding churches and the Baptist way exploded.
Now we have a few folks who want to limit who can function freely in the big C church. And we have the shrinking of the little c church.
Maybe they are related. God replaced (IMHO) the old way of doing His business, the temple and sacrifice, etc, and ethnic Israel with the new Israel, those who believe in Jesus. All that ritual done away with.
But now two thousand years later we are splitting hairs like the Pharisees, arguing who's on first like the moneychangers, and maybe--just maybe--He is writing Ichabod over our doors and taking His business once again out of the hands of the religious big shots.
Food for thought.
again, we are NOT saying women to 'sit on their hands", can do EVERYTHING men do in local church EXCEPT be ordained/established as pastors/Elder as NO scriptures support that!
Phillpians 4:3 And I intreat thee also, true yokefellow, help those women which laboured with me in the gospel, with Clement also, and with other my fellowlabourers, whose names are in the book of life.
Interesting you picked this verse notice the bold they laboured with doesn't say they were over me or that they were teaching, they laboured with Paul, just as every woman labors (serves) in the church. Witnessing praying, WMU, tecahing children, teens everything as labouring together, and yet Paul said they were not to teach men 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man,...
So you think Paul was wrong for saying a woman couldn't function as a teacher of men in the Big Church. Haven't seen a verse that contradicts this command from Paul and the Holy Spirit yet. CAn you provide one? That says from any scripture Pauls was wrong and or where Paul reverses his position on this. Or where Paul says women can Teach men or Paul says he erred in writing this?
Or where the qualification for a pastor (bishop, elder) have changed from Husband of one wife to wife of one husband or Paul saying you are free to change the scripture to fit your culture. Can you provide the scripture that gives that command?
Women are capable teachers, very capable in leading Women and children, but when teaching or leading men she has over stepped the order of creation and Scripture is clear she is not to teach men because Adam was first formed and she was taken from his side and is to stand beside him not rule over him nor teach him.
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Do you apply this scheme of yours to the political realm?
Surely you wouldn't apply your overarching 'creation mandate' principle to excluding Margaret Thatcher from 'leading men' as Prime Minister?
Or would you?
If not/so, why?
Not applicable not the SPIRTUAL Realm but the worlds realm. I voted for the soon to be ex-texas senator Kay Bailey Hutchison fo U. S. Senate. That is Worldly business but Paul and the Holy Spirit were dealing with matters of the church and the order in Spiritual leadership
God applied this principle ONLY to the Church, and to the family, as the man was suppossed to be the head of his household...
in the Baptist Bulletin of the [Fundamentalist] GARBC:
Nov-Dec 1934. Right across the page is this:
Hamilton Square Baptist Church of San Francisco, featuring Miss Stockton:
Perhaps you've heard of Temple Baptist Church (Detroit)?
Or Wealthy Street Baptist (Grand Rapids)?
Detroit Free Press, Saturday, August 1, 1931, p 12:
https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/97482594/
"Amy Lee Stockton, a woman evangelist, will make her fourth visit to the Temple Baptist church, Fourteenth and Marquette avenues, on Sunday. Miss Stockton will supply for the pastor, Rev. Albert G. Johnson, D.D., through the month of August, while he is on vacation. At the Northern Baptist Theological seminary in Chicago she was a member of the same class as Dr. Johnson, and she has conducted evangelistic services frequently in the east, particularly in Washington, D. C, and Buffalo. N. Y. She has also preached at the First Baptist church in Pontiac. Besides the two Sunday services, she will direct on Wednesday evenings the prayer meetings"
T. T. Shields passed on this good report from Grand Rapids in his July 9, 1931 Union Baptist Witness (Official Publication of the Union of Regular Baptist Churches of Ontario and Quebec, 337 Jarvis Street, Toronto 2, Canada) p. 12:
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Women are no tpermittedto be Elders/Pastors of a church, but everything else allowed!
More precisely, your denomination the North American Baptist Conference has ruled that women may not be Senior Pastor or lead elder:
http://www.nabconference.org/sites/default/files/files/resources/Credentialing Guidelines Final_1.25.16.pdf
But they may be ministers the Gospel as:
For example, the President of the North American Baptist Conference Upper Mississippi Region Leadership Team is Jen Woyke
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