Scripture More Accurately
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You seem to hold to an unbiblical notion that God has exhaustively specified all things that are unacceptable to Him. In many different ways, Scripture shows that simply is not true.
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What Is Unacceptable in Corporate Worship?
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Scripture More Accurately
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Wrong. God's commands in Scripture to sing aloud are not "my" law.
I'm sure they had hand drums as they are repeatedly mentioned elsewhere.
When you carefully and thoroughly compare Scripture with Scripture, it's clear that what Psalm 81 teaches has to be harmonized with other passages. Those passages shows that God has accepted corporate worship and whether mentioned or not the accepted worship alway includes singing aloud, trumpets, harps, and hand drums. Otherwise Hod would not have commanded it in Psalm 81.
Jon - again you are wrong - have you never read the Book of Hezekiah - I think it is ch 4/4
Yes. I stand corrected.
I wait for you to tell us what law we are breaking now that causes us to be out of fellowship with God.
I wonder if you spend your days in fear of God coming and smiting you down because your voice was below the volume level acceptable to God when you were singing.
Has it ever occurred to you that Jesus died to redeem you from the law?
The Psalms certainly are not Law (Torah).
The Psalms are collections of songs, hymns, and writings that express worship to God.
The Hebrew title of Psalms is Tehillim means “praises”.
The idea that corporate singing is done aloud is a redundancy.
To sing, one audibly vocalizes (makes a musical noise).
To sing corporately, one joins with others who are singing.
The word "aloud" does not necessarily mean LOUD.
Whether one sings LOUD or softly, doesn't really matter.
It means audibly, not silently, using one's voice,
but to do it with joy, exultantly, fully expressing enthusiasm.
So when a stage performer 'whispers a song' with amplification is it really a whisper?
...or is it merely a vocal technique to express intimacy or heartfelt devotion?
Sing for joy to God our strength;
Shout joyfully to the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 NASB
Sing aloud unto God our strength:
Make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 AV1873
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Come, let’s sing for joy to the Lord,
Let’s shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 NASB
O come, let us sing unto the Lord:
Let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 AV 1873
Shout joyfully to the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 NASB
Sing aloud unto God our strength:
Make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 AV1873
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Come, let’s sing for joy to the Lord,
Let’s shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 NASB
O come, let us sing unto the Lord:
Let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 AV 1873
Our song leader often gets so enthusiastically loud when he sings that it hurts my ears (I tell my wife that he yodels)
That, combined with the amplification techniques make it so loud that I often can't hear my own voice.
(Somehow I can still hear the woman far across the room that sings like an alleycat in heat.)
So I sing with emotion but quietly so as not to cause a disturbance.
Rob
Rob, clearly the alley cat and yodeler are much more God-ward than you, by virtue of SMA's big book of rules.The Psalms certainly are not Law (Torah).
The Psalms are collections of songs, hymns, and writings that express worship to God.
The Hebrew title of Psalms is Tehillim means “praises”.
The idea that corporate singing is done aloud is a redundancy.
To sing, one audibly vocalizes (makes a musical noise).
To sing corporately, one joins with others who are singing.
The word "aloud" does not necessarily mean LOUD.
Whether one sings LOUD or softly, doesn't really matter.
It means audibly, not silently, using one's voice,
but to do it with joy, exultantly, fully expressing enthusiasm.
So when a stage performer 'whispers a song' with amplification is it really a whisper?
...or is it merely a vocal technique to express intimacy or heartfelt devotion?
Sing for joy to God our strength;
Shout joyfully to the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 NASB
Sing aloud unto God our strength:
Make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 AV1873
*********
Come, let’s sing for joy to the Lord,
Let’s shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 NASB
O come, let us sing unto the Lord:
Let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 AV 1873
Our song leader often gets so enthusiastically loud when he sings that it hurts my ears (I tell my wife that he yodels)
That, combined with the amplification techniques make it so loud that I often can't hear my own voice.
(Somehow I can still hear the woman far across the room that sings like an alleycat in heat.)
So I sing with emotion but quietly so as not to cause a disturbance.
Rob
Well, he may be right there... they do express joyous exuberance.but I'm an introvert and like my quiet solitude.
Perhaps God can find a quiet corner of heaven reserved for me somewhere (Revelation 19)
Rob
Scripture More Accurately
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I never said that the Psalms are Law in the sense of being part of the Mosaic Law.The Psalms certainly are not Law (Torah).
The Psalms are collections of songs, hymns, and writings that express worship to God.
The Hebrew title of Psalms is Tehillim means “praises”.
The idea that corporate singing is done aloud is a redundancy.
To sing, one audibly vocalizes (makes a musical noise).
To sing corporately, one joins with others who are singing.
The word "aloud" does not necessarily mean LOUD.
Whether one sings LOUD or softly, doesn't really matter.
It means audibly, not silently, using one's voice,
but to do it with joy, exultantly, fully expressing enthusiasm.
So when a stage performer 'whispers a song' with amplification is it really a whisper?
...or is it merely a vocal technique to express intimacy or heartfelt devotion?
Sing for joy to God our strength;
Shout joyfully to the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 NASB
Sing aloud unto God our strength:
Make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
Ps 81:1 AV1873
*********
Come, let’s sing for joy to the Lord,
Let’s shout joyfully to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 NASB
O come, let us sing unto the Lord:
Let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.
Ps 95:1 AV 1873
Our song leader often gets so enthusiastically loud when he sings that it hurts my ears (I tell my wife that he yodels)
That, combined with the amplification techniques make it so loud that I often can't hear my own voice.
(Somehow I can still hear the woman far across the room that sings like an alleycat in heat.)
So I sing with emotion but quietly so as not to cause a disturbance.
Rob
The use of amplification does not make the use of whispering singing legitimate. The use of such sensual singing is a corrupt practice that injects sensuality into worship, which has no place in acceptable divine worship.
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I agree. Just read these lyrics!!!
How handsome you are, my lover!
Oh, how charming!
And our bed is verdant.
The beams of our house are cedars;
our rafters are firs.
I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys.
Like a lily among thorns is my darling among the maidens.
Scripture More Accurately
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Song of Solomon never mentions God and does not contain any content that shows that it has anything to do with what God wants us to do in corporate worship. These lyrics do not support in any way the unholy practice of whispered singing in corporate worship.I agree. Just read these lyrics!!!
How handsome you are, my lover!
Oh, how charming!
And our bed is verdant.
The beams of our house are cedars;
our rafters are firs.
I am a rose of Sharon, a lily of the valleys.
Like a lily among thorns is my darling among the maidens.
Yet the Song is itself worship.
Scripture More Accurately
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Just because you say so? No, your merely saying so does not make it so.
You want to claim that it is worship of God? Prove it from the Bible.
Yes, I am claiming that the "Song of Solomon" is worship to God.
Reading it ur is obvious, I believe, to anybody that the song is worship (by definition). It is an allegory, one of adoration for, and of, God.
Granted, it would not be included in Scriptute based on the theological requirements of many on this board. Fortunately God trumped them long prior to the dominance of Western intellectualism in Christianity.
Exactly who do you believe is being worshiped if not God?
Do you believe the Scripture merely a secular, erotic, poem?
Why do you believe God included the Song in Scripture?
Do you deny its divine inspiration?
Scripture More Accurately
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Song of Solomon is inspired by the Holy Spirit and is Scripture. You, in effect, set up a false dichotomy by implying that it either is a "secular, erotic, poem" or allegorical worship to God.
Any worship of anyone other than God is idolatry and sinful.
God is not the believer's "lover" in an erotic sense.
Whispered singing is a perverse injection of human sensuality into corporate worship. Citing Song of Solomon as support for the use of such sensual singing in corporate worship is a misuse of Scripture.
