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What is wrong with the belief that Christ rose from the dead on Sunday?
- Thread starter Gerhard Ebersoehn
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MATT.12 [39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; SO SHALL THE SON OF MAN BE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS IN THE HEART OF THE EARTH.
The above scripture says as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whales belly, and so shall Jesus be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Does good Friday afternoon till (easter) Sunday morning equal 3 days and 3 nights? No it does not.
MARK 16 [1] And WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
These women bought sweet spices AFTER the sabbath was past.
LUKE 23 [56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY according to the commandment.
These same women prepared spices and then rested the sabbath day, according to the commandment (Gods 4th commandment) How could these women prepare spices and rest the sabbath if they didnt buy spices till after the sabbath had past? There had to be two sabbath days that week.
JOHN 19 [14] And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.
JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
These 2 scriptures from John are proof that the first of these sabbaths was the high sabbath. There is a sabbath on the 1st day of the feast of unleavened bread which follows the passover
LEVITICUS 23 [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. [7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
After the passover, in the 1st day of unleavened bread, there is a high sabbath day. No one saw the Lord rise. When they discovered He had risen, it was Sunday (the 1st day of the week) but no one was present when He rose from the dead. If you believe the sign of Jonas and the scripture from Matt.12 you must believe He rose on a late sabbath afternoon 3 days and 3 nights after Jesus was placed in the heart of the earth. He was placed in tomb before sundown as at sundown began the sabbath as stated in John 19[31].
MARK 8 [31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and AFTER THREE DAYS rise again.
The above scripture says as Jonas was 3 days and 3 nights in the whales belly, and so shall Jesus be 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the earth. Does good Friday afternoon till (easter) Sunday morning equal 3 days and 3 nights? No it does not.
MARK 16 [1] And WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
These women bought sweet spices AFTER the sabbath was past.
LUKE 23 [56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY according to the commandment.
These same women prepared spices and then rested the sabbath day, according to the commandment (Gods 4th commandment) How could these women prepare spices and rest the sabbath if they didnt buy spices till after the sabbath had past? There had to be two sabbath days that week.
JOHN 19 [14] And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.
JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
These 2 scriptures from John are proof that the first of these sabbaths was the high sabbath. There is a sabbath on the 1st day of the feast of unleavened bread which follows the passover
LEVITICUS 23 [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. [7] In the first day ye shall have an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
After the passover, in the 1st day of unleavened bread, there is a high sabbath day. No one saw the Lord rise. When they discovered He had risen, it was Sunday (the 1st day of the week) but no one was present when He rose from the dead. If you believe the sign of Jonas and the scripture from Matt.12 you must believe He rose on a late sabbath afternoon 3 days and 3 nights after Jesus was placed in the heart of the earth. He was placed in tomb before sundown as at sundown began the sabbath as stated in John 19[31].
MARK 8 [31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and AFTER THREE DAYS rise again.
MARK 16 [1] And when the sabbath was past, MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES, AND SALOME, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
MARK 15 [40] There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES THE LESS AND OF JOSES, AND SALOME;[41] (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him
and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.[42] And now WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,[43] Joseph of Arimathaea, and honourable counseller, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.[44] And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.[45] And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.[46] And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.[47] AND MARY MAGDALENE AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JOSES BEHELD WHERE HE WAS LAID.
These 2 scriptures are proof that the women who bought the spices didnt run out and buy the spices after Christ was crucified. They were there when Christ was crucified and there when laid in his tomb. At sundown the sabbath began and the girls were there. After sundown (during the sabbath) they could not buy or sell so they had to wait till the sabbath had passed. Just as scripture verifies in Mark 16.
MATT.27 [54] Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.[55] And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:[56] AMONG WHICH WAS MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSES, and the mother of Zebedee's children.[57] When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:[58] He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.[59] And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,[60] And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.[61] And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.[62] Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,[63] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, AFTER THREE DAYS I WILL RISE AGAIN.
Yup, after 3 days. Just as Jesus said it would be. Just as the “sign of Jonah” points out.
JOHN 20 [1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Youve known all along that you cannot find a portion of a third night. In believing the above scripture you must now believe you cannot find a portion of a third day. When Mary Magdalene came to the place Jesus was buried it was still dark and He had already risen.
Just some added thoughts. The word easter found in Acts 12
Acts 12 [4] And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
pascha, pas’-khah;of Chaldee origin [compare Hebrew 6453 (pecach)]; the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it) :- Easter, Passover.
Every other place that you will find this word in the bible it was translated Passover. Someone took libertys with the written word and according to the Word their gonna get the what for
MARK 15 [40] There were also women looking on afar off: among whom was MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES THE LESS AND OF JOSES, AND SALOME;[41] (Who also, when he was in Galilee, followed him, and ministered unto him
and many other women which came up with him unto Jerusalem.[42] And now WHEN THE EVEN WAS COME, because it was the preparation, that is, the day before the sabbath,[43] Joseph of Arimathaea, and honourable counseller, which also waited for the kingdom of God, came, and went in boldly unto Pilate, and craved the body of Jesus.[44] And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.[45] And when he knew it of the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.[46] And he bought fine linen, and took him down, and wrapped him in the linen, and laid him in a sepulchre which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulchre.[47] AND MARY MAGDALENE AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JOSES BEHELD WHERE HE WAS LAID.These 2 scriptures are proof that the women who bought the spices didnt run out and buy the spices after Christ was crucified. They were there when Christ was crucified and there when laid in his tomb. At sundown the sabbath began and the girls were there. After sundown (during the sabbath) they could not buy or sell so they had to wait till the sabbath had passed. Just as scripture verifies in Mark 16.
MATT.27 [54] Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.[55] And many women were there beholding afar off, which followed Jesus from Galilee, ministering unto him:[56] AMONG WHICH WAS MARY MAGDALENE, AND MARY THE MOTHER OF JAMES AND JOSES, and the mother of Zebedee's children.[57] When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple:[58] He went to Pilate, and begged the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be delivered.[59] And when Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth,[60] And laid it in his own new tomb, which he had hewn out in the rock: and he rolled a great stone to the door of the sepulchre, and departed.[61] And there was Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary, sitting over against the sepulchre.[62] Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,[63] Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, AFTER THREE DAYS I WILL RISE AGAIN.
Yup, after 3 days. Just as Jesus said it would be. Just as the “sign of Jonah” points out.
JOHN 20 [1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
Youve known all along that you cannot find a portion of a third night. In believing the above scripture you must now believe you cannot find a portion of a third day. When Mary Magdalene came to the place Jesus was buried it was still dark and He had already risen.
Just some added thoughts. The word easter found in Acts 12
Acts 12 [4] And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternions of soldiers to keep him; intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.
pascha, pas’-khah;of Chaldee origin [compare Hebrew 6453 (pecach)]; the Passover (the meal, the day, the festival or the special sacrifices connected with it) :- Easter, Passover.
Every other place that you will find this word in the bible it was translated Passover. Someone took libertys with the written word and according to the Word their gonna get the what for
LEVITICUS 23 [1]And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, [2] Speak unto the children of Israel, and say unto them, Concerning the feasts of the Lord, which ye shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my feasts. [3] Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings. [4] These are the feasts of the Lord, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. [5] In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the Lord's passover. [6] And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the Lord: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread. [7] IN THE FIRST DAY YE SHALL HAVE AN HOLY CONVOCATION: YE SHALL DO NO SERVILE WORK THEREIN. [8] But ye shall offer an offering made by fire unto the Lord seven days: in the seventh day is an holy convocation: ye shall do no servile work therein.
JOHN 19 [14] And it was THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.
JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Keep in mind that jewish days begin at sundown. They still do to this day. You can see that the sabbath thats spoken of in John was a high sabbath day and not the weelky sabbath.
NUMBER ONE – Wednesday evening before sundown Jesus was placed in the tomb. Jesus was placed in the tomb just before the 1st day of the feast of unleavened bread which is a high sabbath day as explained in John 19 verse 31. The 1st day and night Jesus was in the tomb was the (high sabbath day).
NUMBER TWO – Thursday evening till friday evening. Night and day no.2. This day, AFTER the sabbath had passed (Mark 16 verse 1) the girls went shopping, returned home and prepared the spices.
MARK 16 [1] And WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
LUKE 23 [56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY according to the commandment.
NUMBER THREE- Day and night no.3 was, as the Word states in Luke 23, the weekly sabbath day according to the 4th commandment. It was after the WEEKLY sabbath day that they went to the tomb (on the 1st day of the week) and found that Jesus HAD risen. My guess is Jesus rose from the dead exactly 3 days and 3 nights, just as He said He would. He rose near the end of the weekly sabbath.
JOHN 20 [1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
For those who claim you only need parts of the 3 days to make the scriptures fit.....scipture above proves you cant even get parts of 3 days. Mary went to the tomb before the sun had risen, while it was yet dark and Jesus had already risen.
JOHN 19 [14] And it was THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.
JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (FOR THAT SABBATH DAY WAS AN HIGH DAY,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
Keep in mind that jewish days begin at sundown. They still do to this day. You can see that the sabbath thats spoken of in John was a high sabbath day and not the weelky sabbath.
NUMBER ONE – Wednesday evening before sundown Jesus was placed in the tomb. Jesus was placed in the tomb just before the 1st day of the feast of unleavened bread which is a high sabbath day as explained in John 19 verse 31. The 1st day and night Jesus was in the tomb was the (high sabbath day).
NUMBER TWO – Thursday evening till friday evening. Night and day no.2. This day, AFTER the sabbath had passed (Mark 16 verse 1) the girls went shopping, returned home and prepared the spices.
MARK 16 [1] And WHEN THE SABBATH WAS PAST, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him.
LUKE 23 [56] And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; AND RESTED THE SABBATH DAY according to the commandment.
NUMBER THREE- Day and night no.3 was, as the Word states in Luke 23, the weekly sabbath day according to the 4th commandment. It was after the WEEKLY sabbath day that they went to the tomb (on the 1st day of the week) and found that Jesus HAD risen. My guess is Jesus rose from the dead exactly 3 days and 3 nights, just as He said He would. He rose near the end of the weekly sabbath.
JOHN 20 [1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when IT WAS YET DARK, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
For those who claim you only need parts of the 3 days to make the scriptures fit.....scipture above proves you cant even get parts of 3 days. Mary went to the tomb before the sun had risen, while it was yet dark and Jesus had already risen.
Please, Chowman, look at this:
JOHN 19 [14] And it was THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him.
JOHN 19[31] The Jews therefore, BECAUSE IT WAS THE PREPARATION, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day ---for that day was great day of sabbath (of the passover) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away.
…and keep in mind Bible-days (especially NT Bible-days), <<begin at sundown>>
THAT IS WHY this:
JOHN 19 [14] “And it was THE PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King![15] But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him” …
…CAME AND HAD PASSED
BEFORE the
“EVENING” of the day which "HAD BEGUN since / because it ALREADY HAD BECOME EVENING The Preparation", Mark 15:42 Matthew 27:57 Luke 23:50 John 19:31 being parallel Scriptures.
John 19:14 DEFINES “The Preparation” which “was” in its middle in the morning 6 a.m., “It was The Preparation OF THE PASSOVER” the fourteenth day of the First Month which had had begun in John 13:1,30 Mark 14:14,17 Matthew 26:17,20 Luke 22:7,14 1Corinthians 11:23.
And John 19:31 DEFINES “The Preparation which “had had begun” and “was”, “since THAT DAY was Great Day Sabbath” the FEAST-Day sabbath of the passover, fifteenth day of the First Month..
"The Preparation of the Passover" FINISHED <<sundown>> BEFORE “evening”;
"The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” BEGAN AFTER <<sundown>> with “evening”.
Then “The Preparation which is the Fore-Sabbath” (‘Friday’) began ENDING with the last three hours of the Sixth Day “due to the Jews’ preparations” for the Sabbath in John 19:42 from “mid-afternoon the Sabbath approaching” Luke 23:54.
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Joseph started to undertake “TO bury” Jesus “that NIGHT” and finished to bury Jesus “next day” according to the Scriptures “mid-afternoon the (weekly) Sabbath approaching.”
The sacrifice was killed before <<sundown>> and was eaten after <<sundown>> and burned (returned to dust—buried) “the next day”.
Therefore Jesus was NOT <<placed in the tomb … before the 1st day of the feast>>.
<<<Keep in mind that jewish days begin at sundown.>>>
Jesus was placed in the tomb and Joseph had closed the grave “mid-afternoon the Sabbath (Seventh Day) nearing”, “on the sabbath because that day was great day sabbath of” the passover—THE VERY REASON WHY AND FOR Joseph to have done so having been the fact it was “on the sabbath because that day was great day sabbath of” the passover : the direct OPPOSITE of your theory according to which Joseph could not have buried Jesus “THAT DAY” COMMANDED BY GOD FOR THAT PURPOSE!
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Mark 16:1 is about “when the Sabbath had gone through”, before “they (the 3 women) would go anoint Him … on the FIRST Day of the week” ---‘Saturday night’.
Luke 23:54-56a is about “THAT DAY”—“great day sabbath of” the passover 15th day of the First Month—“the Preparation (“which is the Fore-Sabbath” [Sixth Day of the week]) the Sabbath … according to the (Fourth) Commandment … nearing.”
You identify these Scriptures. They do not tell of anything the same!
<<<in Luke 23, the weekly sabbath day according to the 4th commandment.>>>
Good! “They (the two Marys here mentioned) BEGAN to rest the Sabbath” Luke 23:56b.
<<<It was after the WEEKLY sabbath day that they went to the tomb>>>
Good! It was “when the WEEKLY Sabbath Day had gone through” that the three women mentioned in Mark 16:1 and together with “others” in Luke 24:1, had gone to the tomb “ON THE FIRST Day of the week” : “the third SINCE they delivered Him over to be crucified” Luke 24:21. NOT THE DAY AFTER they crucified Jesus like you try to say!
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JOHN 20 [1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early of dark yet [dusk / evening--'proh-i skotias eti ousehs'], unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
vooks
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How nonsensical can it get?
Sunday starts on Saturday evening, ends in the evening. Let's look at all the trips to the grave
Luke 24:1 (KJV)
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them
What is 'very early in the morning'? 'Early dawn'- barthus orthros
ὄρθρος (orthros)
Strong: G3722
GK: G3986
the dawn; the morning, Jn. 8:2; Acts 5:21; ὄρθος βαθύς, the first streak of dawn, the early dawn, Lk. 24:1
Luke reckons they came at DAWN not your fantasized DUSK/evening
If you want, you can write up your own gospels and peddle them but you can't have a grave visit earlier than DAWN. The word dark does not mean DUSK.
Sabbath starts in the evening, ends in the evening. Sabbath ends and shops open and the women buy spices. Early in the morning (orthros)- Luke24:1 they make their way to the tomb
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Hey GE, really cannot follow you. You say things then back it up with non scripture. You posted 3 posts and i could follow none. Maybe if youd back up what you say using the ole King James that would help
I have no idea which day of the week He was resurrected. I am just thankful He did.
1 Corinthians 15:1-4 (KJV)
1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Its important what ya believe SovereignGrace
Re: <<<How nonsensical can it get?>>>
You are showing how <nonsensical> it gets.
John 20:1 is not Luke 24:1
So, Yes, <<<Sunday starts on Saturday evening>>>.
Exactly. THAT was exactly what _I_ said! So what are you complaining about it being <nonsensical> what John wrote and Luke did NOT write?
But hold it there!
<Sunday> does not <<start on Saturday evening>> It starts midnight, 12 p.m. Roman time.
But John here in 20:1 refers to the Bible-day, which starts sunset and the “early-of-dark-yet-being”, ‘PROH-I skotias eti ousehs’ directly after sunset—NOT just <dark,-yet-being>— ‘skotias, eti ousehs’—
And by the way also, <Sunday> as the First Day of the week does not <<end in the evening>>. It ends sunset before, <evening>.
Now let’s look at what you further have to say; or rather, people who know, say:—
Re: <<<Luke 24:1 (KJV)
Now upon the first day of the week, very early in the morning, they came unto the sepulchre, bringing the spices which they had prepared, and certain others with them>>>
Did I say anything different?
Re: <<<What is 'very early in the morning'? 'Early dawn'- barthus orthros [Sic.]
ὄρθρος (orthros)
Strong: G3722
GK: G3986
the dawn; the morning, Jn. 8:2; Acts 5:21; ὄρθος βαθύς, the first streak of dawn, the early dawn, Lk. 24:1
Luke reckons they came at DAWN not your fantasized DUSK/evening>>>
Did I write <<<DUSK/evening>>> with reference to Luke 24:1?
Well quote me if you can. It seems you ALSO cannot read English!
Re: <<<you can't have a grave visit earlier than DAWN.>>>
Says who?
And WHY, not?
Re: <<<The word dark does not mean DUSK.>>>
Amen!
Re: <<<Sabbath starts in the evening, ends in the evening.>>>
On a point of order, Sabbath starts in the evening, ends in the afternoon before evening.
Re: <<<Sabbath ends and shops open and the women buy spices. Early in the morning (orthros)- Luke24:1 they make their way to the tomb>>>.
50% or less correct. Therefore your assignment will be:
Show the 50% or more incorrect!
Allow me, Ten Visits at the tomb, http://www.baptistboard.com/showthread.php?p=2218866&posted=1#post2218866
Condensed:
Visits at the tomb “on the First Day”
1) “Mary sees the stone removed”, “while being early darkness still”, dusk. Then Peter and John go to the tomb to see what Mary has told them. (Jn20:1-10)
2) “Earliest morning- darkness”, just after midnight, “the two women” (variant – the two Marys), “and certain others with them”, for the first time, “came to the sepulchre, bringing the spices they had prepared”. (Lk24:1) “They returned from the sepulchre, and told all these things to the eleven and to all the rest.” (“Then Peter stood up and ran to the tomb; and bending low over, he saw the linen clothes. He went back, wandering by himself about that what had happened.” (Lk24:9-12) Cf. John's account in 20:1-10. I can't say Luke talks of another visit by Peter, but it seems true because Luke doesn't mention John.)
3) These women to make sure, a second time came to the tomb “very early before sunrise”. (Mk16:2)
4) Mary from after the others had fled in fear (Mk16:8) “had had stood without at the grave” (Jn20:11). At the time a gardener should begin work, about sunrise, Jesus “early … first appeared to Mary”. (Mk16:9)
5) Soon after – after they a third time have visited the tomb and “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection – Jesus appears to the other women “as they went to tell his disciples”. (Mt28:5, 9)
Mary went to the tomb, three times, Jn20:1, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mk16:9 when she “had remained standing behind” until, Jn20:11, Jesus appeared to her, “first”, Mk16:9, and alone, “at the grave”, Jn20:16.
The other women also went to the tomb, three times, Lk24:1, Mk16:2, and Mt28:5 when “the angel explained” to them what had happened during the Resurrection, and Jesus, as “they went to tell his disciples”, appeared to them. (Mt28:5, 9)
The answer to the ‘Easter enigma’ (John Wenham) is simple: Each Gospel contributed to the whole with one of several sources; each added a personal part that, put together, will bring the whole story of the Resurrection into proper perspective.
Tradition – that is, the Sunday-resurrection approach – makes of these several stories of several visits, the one and simultaneous occasion of Jesus’ resurrection. Contradictions, discrepancies and total confusion are the inevitable result! It was bad enough that this ‘solution’ to a self-created ‘riddle’ was ever offered just to protect Sunday’s presumed status of being the day of the Resurrection. It became a comedy of tragic proportions when Sunday-protagonists began to defend their presumptuousness through unlawful improvements on the Scriptures.
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vooks
Active Member
Get a refund from your English teacher and demand an apology!
You can't even comprehend your own posts, what a sorry piece of work
vooks
Active Member
The women visit the grave at night, they find the stone rolled away, go back and then in Luke 24:1 they come back AGAIN early morning with spices. This is madness or a sick George Carling joke, not theology:tonofbricks:
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How can you NOT know on which day of the week Christ was Resurrected from the dead?
Don't you read the Scriptures which tell you "In the end(ing) of the Sabbath as it began to dawn towards the First Day of the week mid-afternoon on the Sabbath ... the angel of the Lord ... cast the stone from the grave"?