Silverhair
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Well as I said before if one comes under conviction and realizes that they are a sinner in need of a saviour that is not taking part in their salvation, well it is in your mind but it is not what the bible says.
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What is your definition of a Calvinist?
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Well as I said before if one comes under conviction and realizes that they are a sinner in need of a saviour that is not taking part in their salvation, well it is in your mind but it is not what the bible says.
Silverhair
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In a theological sense, regeneration is called the new birth. Webster
See there is your problem. You think regeneration and conversion are NOT the same thing.
Tit 3:5 not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration G3824 and renewing of the Holy Spirit,
This is the one of two times that regeneration is used in the bible. Here we see Paul writing of the renewing of a persons soul. The other is Christ Jesus speaking of the renewing of creation. Mat_19:28
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The washing of regeneration (paliggenesía, Tit_3:5) refers to the spiritual rebirth of the individual soul.
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Calvinists hold that all lost sinners have freely chosen to go to hell by rejecting Jesus to save them, as Gid does not need to "force them" to do that, as its their want and desires
Silverhair
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What I have experienced: many calvinists are arrogant, condescending, self-righteous, feel they have a special insight to the bible. Thankfully not all are like that.
Agreed , as we are discussing salvation proper here, Calvinism, while those other items usually refer to reformed theology proper
All Reformed are Calvinists, but not all Calvinists are reformed
atpollard
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“Someone saved by the blood of John Calvin, who affirms every word in The Institutes as divinely inspired.” … [just kidding]
(someone that believes in sovereign monergistic soteriology as exemplified in John 6:44)
No one can come to Me (T)
unless the Father who sent Me (U)
draws him; (I)
and I will raise him (L)
up on the last day.(P)
unless the Father who sent Me (U)
draws him; (I)
and I will raise him (L)
up on the last day.(P)
You have to believe all 5 to be a “biblicist” … understanding and believing what the Bible says pushes one towards ‘Calvinism’.
A “hyper-Calvinist” draws conclusions that are both not stated in scripture and are in many cases denied by scripture. “God draws those that are saved” is taught in scripture. “God makes people sin” is not taught in scripture. Hyper-Calvinism draws an unbiblical equivalency between salvation and reprobation. A Calvinist affirms Sovereign monergistic soteriology without affirming sovereign monergistic reprobation (because that is what Scripture affirms). God DRAWS sinners to Christ, but God never PUSHES anyone away.
Reformed1689
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They only come under conviction because of God. Not of themselves.
atpollard
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I agree.
- [Pro 14:12 NASB95] 12 There is a way [which seems] right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
- [Pro 16:25 NASB95] 25 There is a way [which seems] right to a man, But its end is the way of death.
Not if that is how God planned and designed it.
Reformed1689
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And we know he didn't so....
So who thinks that they come under conviction without God?
Reformed1689
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You tell me. Dead men who are ok in their sin do not come under conviction.
I get it you disagree but the disagreement should be based on whether He did or did not, but its. fallacious argument that we think we do it without God. Bad argument
Reformed1689
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So then who chooses, God or you?
Again its reasonable to disagree on what a dead man is, it is a false caricature to suggest we hold to conviction without God.
God chose to save them that believe. Had He not done so no one would be able to.
Reformed1689
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So then you also agree with Limited Atonement then? Otherwise you have an issue with Christ not being good enough to save all that he died for.
if they are "OK in their sins" of course they have not been convicted!
They need to realize that sin is NOT ok -then the conviction begins.
Acts 16:31 - "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be save"
Thus we have to make a decision to believe.
"Whosoever will may come"
"He that belevieth on the Son, hath life"
Behold, I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in to him
Matthew 7:13-14
“Enter by the narrow gate. ... the gate is narrow and the way is hard ... and those who find it are few.
Romans 10:10
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for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.
These verses inform us that we as individuals must make a decision to follow Christ.
Reformed1689
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Correct, AFTER being enabled to do so.
So, what you are saying is that even after "being enabled to do so" does not necessary mean that will make a decision for Christ.
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