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What is your definition of a Calvinist?

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Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Salty said:
So, what you are saying is that even after "being enabled to do so" does not necessary mean that will make a decision for Christ.
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No, everyone enabled to do so can and will make that decision without fail. All that the Father gives will come.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Reformed1689 said:
They only come under conviction because of God. Not of themselves.
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Agreed, and we know that the Holy Spirit convicts the whole world or are you going to say that He only convicts your so called elect?
So if He convicts the whole world then that means that the whole world can realize that they are sinners and realize that they need a saviour and then can call out God.

You just fail to realize that or you just ignore it because it does not fit your theology.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Reformed1689 said:
So then you also agree with Limited Atonement then? Otherwise you have an issue with Christ not being good enough to save all that he died for.
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He died for the whole world remember or is this verse not in your bible?
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

It appears that you have a problem with the text of the bible.
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Silverhair said:
Agreed, and we know that the Holy Spirit convicts the whole world or are you going to say that He only convicts your so called elect?
So if He convicts the whole world then that means that the whole world can realize that they are sinners and realize that they need a saviour and then can call out God.

You just fail to realize that or you just ignore it because it does not fit your theology.
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The only verse that comes close to saying that is John 16:8. But again, why does world necessitate all individuals? And when does this conviction happen? And when we say convict, what are we meaning/
 
Reformed1689

Reformed1689

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Silverhair said:
He died for the whole world remember or is this verse not in your bible?
1Jn 2:2 And He Himself is the propitiation for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the whole world.

It appears that you have a problem with the text of the bible.
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And why does whole world necessitate all individuals? You read that into the text.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Reformed1689 said:
Correct, AFTER being enabled to do so.
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We are able to do so but the choice we have to make is accept or reject. By your calvinist viewpoint they will always chose to accept so you have circled back to the idea that the Holy Spirit only convicts your so called elect. But as per usual on this you are wrong.
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Reformed1689 said:
The only verse that comes close to saying that is John 16:8. But again, why does world necessitate all individuals? And when does this conviction happen? And when we say convict, what are we meaning/
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You really struggle with the text of the bible don't you. We have to see what it means in context which you fail to understand.
Conviction:
the act of convincing of sin or sinfulness;
the sate of being convinced or convicted by conscience;
the state of being sensible of guilt;

By conviction, a sinner is brought to repentance.

You are so determined to hold on to your theology that you will make the silliest arguments in the vain attempt to support them.
 
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Reformed1689 said:
So then you also agree with Limited Atonement then? Otherwise you have an issue with Christ not being good enough to save all that he died for.
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unlimited atonement has nothing to do with Christ not being good enough. It has to do with how God designed it.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Silverhair said:
I can appreciate what you think "regeneration" means but Webster disagrees with you "In a theological sense, regeneration is called the new birth." From what you have said it appears you are confusing regeneration and conviction.
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I am not confused at all. I can agree with “new birth” as the definition, it doesn’t change my views. It is a supernatural work of God Holy Spirit that frees a person from their enslavement to sin and leads to a right relationship with God (salvation) by faith in Christ.

peace to you
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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canadyjd said:
I am not confused at all. I can agree with “new birth” as the definition, it doesn’t change my views. It is a supernatural work of God Holy Spirit that frees a person from their enslavement to sin and leads to a right relationship with God (salvation) by faith in Christ.

peace to you
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"In a theological sense, regeneration is called the new birth." Webster So if we go by your understanding the person has to be born again, the new birth, before they can believe.
That is the same view the we get from Loraine Boettner
"A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved."

Which is the view that I was told no calvinist held. And here you are holding to it.

Plus it is not what the bible says is it.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

So your view is not biblical and yet you hold to it. Why?
 
Silverhair

Silverhair

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Aaron said:
Wrong again. Classic Arminianism asserts conditional election, which is an assertion of some virtue in man required to be saved.
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If faith in His son is the condition that God has made that leads to salvation then where is the problem with that condition. You seem to have a problem with scripture.
 
canadyjd

canadyjd

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Silverhair said:
"In a theological sense, regeneration is called the new birth." Webster So if we go by your understanding the person has to be born again, the new birth, before they can believe.
That is the same view the we get from Loraine Boettner
"A man is not saved because he believes in Christ, he believes in Christ because he is saved."

Which is the view that I was told no calvinist held. And here you are holding to it.

Plus it is not what the bible says is it.
Joh 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name:
Rom 10:17 So then faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.
Eph 1:13 In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise,

So your view is not biblical and yet you hold to it. Why?
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I will say without hesitation that I do not believe a person is saved before they believe and I have never stated differently.

Your assertion is false

peace to you
 
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