Matthew 26:36-46
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What is Your View of The Atonement By Jesus Christ?
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It proves that there is being stored up by God against sins/sinners cup/bowl of wrath, and that is what was unloaded upon jesus on the Cross!
Here is a basic problem.
You consider the crucifixion as "that awful bowl/cup of the wrath of God..."
Yet, there is NO Scripture support for that view.
What has been offered in the BB as support is basically describing the tortuous account, which is agree upon, but there is never support that such was retaliation or rebuke by the Father.
What IS supported is that Christ PLEASED the father by shedding the blood. From the Garden (a symbol of Eden) to the Temple (religious order) to the magistrates (political order) to outside the city walls (uttermost parts of the world). The blood was shed throughout, not just the cross. And no wrath is indicated coming from God in the Gospel accounts.
Also what IS supported (by seeing the thoughts of Christ revealed in Psalm 22) is that of reliance upon the will of the Father, and the faithfulness of the Father. No wrath is found in that passage.
Also what IS supported (as revealed in Revelation 5) is the absolute joy and honor given by all heaven at that crucifixion. No wrath is found in that passage.
Again, what is supported (as the prophet Isaiah writes) is that the wounding, the bruising the chastising... which were all blood letting expressions were also "pleasing" to the Father. No wrath is found in that passage.
Not supported by Scriptures.
What IS supported is that humankind store up For Themselves wrath. (Romans 2:5)
That which is poured out on the day(s) of judgement of the Lord - perhaps alluding to what John stated more completely as the 7 (complete) bowls named the Wrath of God poured out, laying waste to vast amounts of the earth including seas.
Where does the bible say it was "unloaded upon jesus on the Cross?" Scripture please.
And how does that apply?
You deny that the wrath of God towards sins was poured out upon jesus then?
the Cup of wrath was what Jesus was forced to confront, for he knew that when he took upon Himself the sins of the lost he would save by his death, he would experience from the father treatmnent same as lost sinners will!
Scripture?
I am asking you for scripture to support your opinion. I have not denied anything.
You do not find the Cup/Bowl of Wrath of God in the scriptures then?
I have posted that the Bible teaches wrath of God, and that Jesus drank the full dregs of the Cup of suffering, so how could it not be wrath?
Scripture?
Who says I don't?
I am just curious why you seem to not see though that Jesus experience the very wrath of God upon the Cross for our sakes though?
Who says I don't?
You seem to be really questioning my take on it is why!
You are stating your opinions. I am asking you to support those opinions with scripture. Is that too much to ask for?
No, but the problem is that some refuse to see anything in the scriptures regarding wrath of God!
Who would that be?
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