What is Your View of The Atonement By Jesus Christ?

Strike Two!

1Now on the same occasion there were some present who reported to Him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2And Jesus said to them, “Do you suppose that these Galileans were greater sinners than all other Galileans because they suffered this fate? 3“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish. 4“Or do you suppose that those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them were worse culprits than all the men who live in Jerusalem? 5“I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.”
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Christ was teaching against retribution theology.

He, because the King of the kingdom was at hand, could call for repentance.

He knew the hearts, He knew that they aligned circumstance and physical well-being with sin.

He was showing such was an improper alignment.

He was not calling them to salvation. HE is salvation. He is the author and finisher. NONE other.

 

Look,

YOU laid a very, very serious claim before the readers of the BB.

Do YOU recant from such a claim?

 

[Edited: Quoting deleted post]

Strike Three!

Well, I was going to give you an out by merely having the administrators remove the offensive post.

But, you press the issue by now claiming I misrepresent the Scriptures.

Just so you can remember, this is what Titus teaches.

1) a person is saved because "He" the Christ saved,
2) there is NO righteous deeds (much less unrighteous) that can be done to have gained salvation.
3) salvation is because (by, through...) the washing regenerative work of the Holy Spirit.
4) it is poured out by Christ.

Now, YOU want to claim that repentance is part of that statement in Titus.

I showed where repentance occurs. It is the result of the work of God, not that which attains the work of God.

You disagreed and made a very dishonorable claim, repeating the claim that I now misrepresent the words of Christ.

Rather then recanting, and merely asking the administrators to remove the offensive post(s) you have become more obstinate in proclamations without foundation.

So, why don't you start again.

Ask that post 94,96,97 be deleted from the thread.

Set your exuberance aside and discuss Scriptures.

 

God anger/wrath is being built up daily before God, as in the judgement those sins will receive their due wrath and punishment, correct?

 

Are you serious?

You make wild accusation(s) that are unproven, and then claim that "some on these forums that are spiritually blinded."

You claim repentance is necessary BEFORE salvation.

Peter said that BOTH repentance and baptism in the name of the Lord Jesus was required for the forgiveness of sins.

How would you explain baptism occurs AFTER salvation but repentance is BEFORE, and yet Peter telling the people differently?

Perhaps it might be necessary to apologize and ask certain posts to be deleted and move on with proving Scripture with Scriptures rather than trying to inspect the eyesight of others.

 

I will, as a Calvinist, "admit" that. Calvinists do not believe that men are inactive puppets, or that they have no obligations. What we understand to be evident from scripture is that men are made new creature/born again, by the Holy Spirit, through God's word proclaimed - THEN they respond in faith.

 

You need to stick with what scripture says. I provided two verses which explicitly state the basis of God choosing individuals for salvation. But did not list them, probably because you did not consider they present something different from your mantra.

1) Through faith in the truth. Now is that phrase just using "truth" as a name for Jesus? Or does the phrase encompass trusting in God and His word? And if we ignore what God says, would we meet God's criteria for election?

2) God chose the poor to the world. Is the idea that those chosen do not treasure what the world treasures?

3) Rich is faith. So not only do those chosen have faith in the truth, but they are rich in faith, List what would make you rich in faith?

4) Heirs to the kingdom promised to those who love God. Did our love and devotion result in striving to become Christ-like, striving to learn all He commanded, and striving to keep His commandments?

 

Isaiah 51:17/Revelation 16:1 are just 2 passages!

 

I want to congratulate you on sharing Scripture.

Of course, neither one is about God pouring wrath upon either His Son or believers, but you did actually use Scripture.

So, how do you tie in these with the thread - "what is your view of atonement by Jesus Christ?"

 

Jesus in the Garden was dealing with Himself soon having to take upon Himself that awful Bowl/Cup of the Wrath of God to come upon sins and sinners!