What is Your View of The Atonement By Jesus Christ?

So, you would probably hold that if one is not thoroughly repentant there is no salvation granted?

What if one remembered something years later they neglected to repent, some thorn in the side temptation that would over take them in a fault? Were such granted salvation years before?

Is there a point that repentance becomes a merry-go-round and salvation is a yo-yo?

Titus 3:5:

5He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.​

Now, I see a problem in your presenting Titus 3 as supporting your thinking.

Unless you can show that human repentance is an act of righteousness, then it remains a work that FOLLOWS belief, not precedes it.

See, above that "the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit" placed BEFORE being "made heirs according to the hope of eternal life." NOT after.

Perhaps, you missed this, but basic personality studies show that one does not truly repent (turn from their wicked ways) without there FIRST being changed in the very core of their belief system. I don't stop an addiction unless there is a change that compels me to stop an addiction. This is shown in such things as Cognitive Behavior Theory. (brief description found here: Cognitive Behavioral Therapy | Psychology Today)

This is remarked by the Apostle in 2 Timothy that such repentance comes from God:

24The Lord’s bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind to all, able to teach, patient when wronged, 25with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth, 26and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, having been held captive by him to do his will.​

That such repentance is first brought on by God in the form of sorrow (2 Corinthians 7)

9I now rejoice, not that you were made sorrowful, but that you were made sorrowful to the point of repentance; for you were made sorrowful according to the will of God, so that you might not suffer loss in anything through us. 10For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation, but the sorrow of the world produces death.​

The point being that repentance follows a core change which allows the Godly sorrow producing repentance.

Belief is before Godly sorrow, not following it.

One believes and is extremely sorrowful and repentant.
One does not become extremely sorrowful and repentant without first having an internal change.

Or such is the sorry I got caught and will do better at not getting caught the next time, sorrow of the world - producing death.

 

Martin,
If God "cannot be other that(n) angry with sinners, ... His wrath not arbitrary, ... settled in righteous anger" what happened to such expressions at the confrontation of Adam in Eden?

What of that of Noah, Moses, Abraham? Were they not sinners?

What of Christ who is God in the flesh?

See, in actuality, God does moderate His wrath, His anger is subject to purpose (vengeance) and not revenge.

What sins are made righteous by the suffering of Christ that were not completely forgiven in the blood shed?

 

What is your definition of repent and the parameters of how it is evidenced?

 

The "washing (loutrou) of regeneration (palingenesias)" (also used in Matthew 19:28) is that awakening given, that genesis of conception, that eventually causes the believer to respond to the claim Christ has on their life. It is that change in the core, that causes the person to respond in proclamation of belief.

"5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy,"
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So HOW was that salvation accomplished?

"by the washing of regeneration (loutrou palingenesias) and renewing by the Holy Spirit, 6whom He poured out upon us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior,"
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To what end or conclusion or reason?

7so that being justified by His grace we would be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life.​

The point being, that the person is SAVED ALREADY prior to any "repentance" and that that "washing of regeneration" is what compels that person to turn around (repentance) and follow Christ.

Repentance doesn't bring salvation, salvation brings repentance.

As already shown, Paul gives a slightly different sequence when it comes to those who are already believers that find that they were practicing or endorsing error. Again, repentance is to turn around and quit going the wrong direction.

So Paul states that God will bring a certain unmistakable sorrow according to His will and that will produce a repentance without any regret (for whatever reason).

"For the sorrow that is according to the will of God produces a repentance without regret, leading to salvation,..." (2 Corinthians 7).
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The point being that the repentance in BOTH places is totally by God and indicative of an already changed core (salvation).

 

Such a claim, must have both witness and Scripture testimony.

For witnesses: Perhaps you should report the post so all administration may examine the claim.

For Scripture testimony: Take my post, post opposing Scripture, and validate your claim that this old man teaches heresy.

You stand as an accuser of a believer.

It is a very terrible claim you have made.

You must either recant the claim, or prove the case in which the administration will remove me from the BB.

 

I'm waiting.

 

Who is the audience that Peter is addressing in Acts 3?

What are these people know as?

Why would they need to repent first?

Here is the passage in part for you to look at and answer:

“Men of Israel, why are you amazed at this, or why do you gaze at us, as if by our own power or piety we had made him walk? 13“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus, the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him. 14“But you disowned the Holy and Righteous One and asked for a murderer to be granted to you, 15but put to death the Prince of life, the one whom God raised from the dead, a fact to which we are witnesses. 16“And on the basis of faith in His name, it is the name of Jesus which has strengthened this man whom you see and know; and the faith which comes through Him has given him this perfect health in the presence of you all. 17“And now, brethren, I know that you acted in ignorance, just as your rulers did also. 18“But the things which God announced beforehand by the mouth of all the prophets, that His Christ would suffer, He has thus fulfilled. 19“Therefore repent and return, so that your sins may be wiped away, in order that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord; 20and that He may send Jesus, the Christ appointed for you, 21whom heaven must receive until the period of restoration of all things about which God spoke by the mouth of His holy prophets from ancient time.​

See, Peter was not stating they needed to repent to be saved, but repent to be RESTORED! The KJV uses "convert" which is a bit misleading (imo). The Greek word means to return.

That "times of refreshing may come" and God would send Jesus, The Christ appointed for them.

Try again.