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What killed snake handler Coots

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Winman

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Luke2427 said:
No, Bud. You are the one who thinks he needs no instructors. You are the one who does not care about what Bible believing Christians have thought for two thousand years. I DO care about those things. I try my thoughts by theirs.

You don't.

So you are quite LITERALLY the one who thinks "only YOU know God's mind."
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I am not the one making statements about God other than to show scripture. I showed scripture that literally shows God calling and stretching out his hands to people to come to him. That is clearly begging Luke and you KNOW it.

You know it, but that would be unacceptable to your teachers, so you must cave in and parrot what they say, even though you know in your heart God is begging these people to be saved.

Man up.

He was told by people in some backwater holler that were disconnected from the larger body of Christ just like you. He, like you, did not see the value of a multitude of counselors. He, like you thought that God spoke to him and told him what the Bible meant.
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You are the one that cannot think for yourself and believes what you are told. I know without being told that handling poisonous snakes is dangerous.

I also know that Mark 16 was fulfilled by Paul when the poisonous snake latched onto his arm.

See, if you study the Bible instead of letting other people think for you you will not be deceived by error.

He and you have a lot in common.
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He has WAAAY more in common with you. Or rather HAD.

What I have done is study outside the tiny isolated world in which I was raised. I have sought the help of the larger Body of Christ. I have cared what Christians outside of backwater IFB movements have thought about texts of Scripture. You have not. You are limited to Sword of the Lord type literature and your very poor handling of the Scripture (King James at that because you espouse another backwater doctrine known as KJVO like Jamie Coots did).

You are a trip.
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And yet you are totally messed up. Oh well, the best laid plans of mice and men...
 
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Luke2427

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Winman said:
I am not the one making statements about God other than to show scripture.
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No, you are the one who abuses Scripture to suit himself.

I showed scripture that literally shows God calling and stretching out his hands to people to come to him. That is clearly begging Luke and you KNOW it.
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That's not begging, Winman. That's invitation. If you can't help but conflate those two things then that proves that you are what I am saying you are.

You know it, but that would be unacceptable to your teachers, so you must cave in and parrot what they say, even though you know in your heart God is begging these people to be saved.
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No. I know in something better than my heart. In know in the BIBLE that God is not begging people to be saved. He commands men everywhere to repent.

Man up.
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Childish, childish, childish.



You are the one that cannot think for yourself and believes what you are told. I know without being told that handling poisonous snakes is dangerous.
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No. I used to believe what I was told when I was a King James only fundamentalist. That's what you do. You believe what you are told without seeking a multitude of counselors for safety.

A multitude of counselors is more than some backwater independent baptist mess. You beleive what they tell you to believe.

I also know that Mark 16 was fulfilled by Paul when the poisonous snake latched onto his arm.
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Now, that may very well be true. This goes to show that a blind hog finds an acorn every once in a while.

See, if you study the Bible instead of letting other people think for you you will not be deceived by error.
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The thing you don't get is that studying the Bible REQUIRES help. You don't speak Greek. You did not come into the WORLD knowing the historical backgrounds of Bible books. God says in his word that he has given us teachers for the edification of the body. You need them. God said so. God did. God. God... in his word. The Bible. God said you need them. Can you not get that? Are you that obsessed with indvidualism that you can't help but practically urinate on what the Bible says about your need for teachers.


He has WAAAY more in common with you. Or rather HAD.
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Nope. I just proved that he has way more in common with you. It's obvious.
 
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Winman

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Well Luke, as enjoyable as it is for me to allow you to make a fool of yourself, I need to get to bed.

I didn't have to go to college to know it is not a good idea to handle poisonous snakes, but apparently you need lots of help.
 
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Yeshua1

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Luke2427 said:
Everything is appointed. That doesn't mean we don't try to find out immediate causes.

Do we look at millions of children dying in Africa and just say, "Well, it was their time to die! Oh WELL!! No need to try to find out what's killing them."

No. We find out immediate causes and we answer God's call to help them. That's what we do.

We should do the same with Coots. What REALLY killed this man? Saying a snake killed him is a gross oversimplification. It's like not hunting for a shooter who murdered someone because you conclude a bullet killed his victims.

Ignorance killed Jamie Coots. The snake was just the murder weapon.

But arrogance is what KEPT Coots ignorant. The kind of arrogance that keeps a man from looking outside his holler for more information and help in text interpretation. "I don't need no help. The Holy GHOST done spoke to me!!"

That kind of arrogance is killing Christianity in America as dead as it killed Coots.

There are NUMEROUS people on this very SITE who are that arrogant. People who thumb their noses at books and colleges and seminaries. People who think God speaks to them and that they don't NEED any instructors.

And people like me who call them on it are the ones called arrogant because people are so ignorant they don't even know what true arrogance is. They are wrong on just about everythign.

Humility says, "Ok, this is what this text seems to mean to me. But what have many other Christians thought it meant throughout two thousand years of Church History and why did they think that. I want their help. I may not agree but I am not God and I need the Body of Christ."

That's humility.

Arrogance, the kind that killed Coots, says, "I don't need no stinkin' books!! I don't need no stinkin counsel! Da Holy Ghost done TOLD me what it means!!!"

That's what killed him.

That kind of arrogance is an immeasurably more potent poison and far more prevalent than the venom of the snake that bit him.
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You seem to overvalue Seminary and formal education, as while important, especially for those called as pastors/teachers, FAR more important is ones persoanl walk with christ, prayer life, and having a teachable spirit, allowing the holy spirit to show you how to understand and apply the word, based upon solid bible study methods!

were the Apostles NOT learned men, no formal traiining, yet were all gifted by same Spirit as we are to preach and teach Jesus?

More important to be found "walking wth and knowing Jesus", then must be seminary trained!
 
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Yeshua1

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Winman said:
Why are you complaining about this guy Coots Luke? According to you, this is exactly what God ordained before Coots was ever born, it could not have happened any other way.

If people are idiots as you believe, then according to your view it was God's will that people should be idiots. You should be rejoicing.

Just another example of how stupid your view really is.
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God determined that based upon his bad and foolish 'free will" choice, Coots folly would result in death!
 
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Luke2427

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Yeshua1 said:
You seem to overvalue Seminary and formal education, as while important, especially for those called as pastors/teachers, FAR more important is ones persoanl walk with christ, prayer life, and having a teachable spirit, allowing the holy spirit to show you how to understand and apply the word, based upon solid bible study methods!
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You could not be more wrong.

You exalt this individualistic nonsense forgetting that the Word of God shows God working through CORPORATE means. We are the BODY OF CHRIST. We work together, we study together, we learn together. Alone, apart from the Body of Christ WE ARE NOTHING. NOTHING.

Having a teachable spirit does not mean being able to be taught by mess bouncing around in your own head that you wrongly CALL the Holy Spirit. Being teachable means connecting yourself to the larger Body of Christ, studying what the Church has thought about each passage for two thousands year and seeking a multitude of counselors.

Seminary is not the ONLY place you can do that. But it is the best place today that I know of.

What killed Jamie Coots is that he trusted in his individual "persoanl walk with Christ, prayer life, and having a teachable spirit, allowing the holy spirit to show you how to understand and apply the word..."


were the Apostles NOT learned men, no formal traiining, yet were all gifted by same Spirit as we are to preach and teach Jesus?
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You are dead wrong here too. Jamie Coots thought the same way you do. The Apostles KNEW the original languages. They grew up speaking them fluently. They knew the historical backgrounds of the New Testament. They LIVED THEM EVERY DAY. They knew the context of the writings of the Apostles- they WERE the writers.

A guy has to go to seminary for years to be within a country MILE of the unlearned Apostles.

PLUS! PLUS!! They attended the finest seminary the world has ever known. Their campus was the land in which the Bible was written and their professor was none other than the Second Person of the Godhead Trinity!!

Yes! They were EXTREMELY learned men BECAUSE they had been with Jesus.

More important to be found "walking wth and knowing Jesus", then must be seminary trained!
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Jesus is not here bodily walking with us... Oh but wait!! He IS!!! His Body is the Body of Christ which is what seminary hooks you up to.

You are not connected to the LARGER Body of Christ in some holler somewhere listening to no one but the handful of people in your community.
 
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Aaron

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Luke2427 said:
Light dispels darkness. Light is the KNOWLEDGE of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.

Christian education is the impartation of that knowledge.

Blind people cannot see it- true. But it does not change the fact that it is the cure. That's what the Bible plainly teaches.
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Light isn't the cure for blindness, pearls and holy things don't transform swine or dogs, and knowledge puffeth up.

No amount of education will change one's heart.
 
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Luke2427

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Aaron said:
Light isn't the cure for blindness, pearls and holy things don't transform swine or dogs, and knowledge puffeth up.

No amount of education will change one's heart.
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Education is exactly what changes ones heart. We're not talking about secular education. We're talking about the Word of God.

The Bible could not be more clear that this is EXACTLY what changes men's hearts.

The point I am making is that it must be rightly divided. In order to do that you must know HOW to rightly divide the Word of Truth.

To do this, you need to know something of the original languages, historical backgrounds, literary genres, authorial intent, hermeneutics, etc, etc, etc...

Now, seminary may not be the only place to do that- but it cannot sensibly argued that it is not a great, perhaps the best place today to do it.
 
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