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What mans religion teaches about faith and repentance !

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
Can you remember back to a time when you repented of your sins?

When you realized you were a sinner and in your heart you confessed it to God?
Don't get off the subject. Repentance isn't a condition, its given by God/Christ as Gifts in Salvation Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
Act 5:31 "He is the one whom God exalted to His right hand as a Prince and a Savior, to grant repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Peter was speaking of the nation of Israel not spiritual Israel which Christians will be part of.

Salvation is a gift receive by the grace of God through faith.

Keep trying BF you just might come to understand the bible yet.
Does Jesus give repentance as Saviour or does He make it a condition ?
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
@Silverhair



False misrepresentation, nobody said a word about resaved. Salvation has phases, and there is a future Phase to experience at the second coming. of Christ Paul mentions it here Rom 13:11

11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.

One is either saved or not saved BF. We are saved now. The saved will be with Christ at His second coming. And will continue to be with Him in heaven.

Paul in Rom 3:11 is speaking of our being in heaven not a second phase or of the saved having to be resaved.
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
@Silverhair

Peter was speaking of the nation of Israel not spiritual Israel which Christians will be part of.

Gentiles are Included in Spiritual Israel and also are given repentance Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

Now who was Peter speaking of in this scripture ?
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
One is either saved or not saved BF. We are saved now. The saved will be with Christ at His second coming. And will continue to be with Him in heaven.

Paul in Rom 3:11 is speaking of our being in heaven not a second phase or of the saved having to be resaved.
False misrepresentation, nobody said a word about resaved. Salvation has phases, and there is a future Phase to experience at the second coming. of Christ Heb 9:28

28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Another reference to a future phase of salvation when Christ comes back
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
Don't get off the subject. Repentance isn't a condition, its given by God/Christ as Gifts in Salvation Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

He can't remember as he never did. You have to realize that he thinks he was chosen B4 creation so why worry about faith or repentance.
 

Charlie24

Well-Known Member
Don't get off the subject. Repentance isn't a condition, its given by God/Christ as Gifts in Salvation Acts 5:31

31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Acts 11:18

18 When they heard these things, they held their peace, and glorified God, saying, Then hath God also to the Gentiles granted repentance unto life.

You are misunderstanding those verses, BF.

How many times did Christ say, "if YOU don't repent, you will die in your sins?"

Notice If "YOU" don't repent!

This is a very serious situation you're dealing with here, I hope you understand the consequences of it.
 

David Lamb

Well-Known Member
Your the one that says you were so special that God picked you out B4 the foundation of the world. Now that is boasting.
I and others have said several times that those of us who believe such things certainly do NOT believe that we were chosen because we were special, or that God's choice gives us anything to boast about. After all, we are told that the choice was made "before the foundation of the world," so a great while before we were born - how can we boast about it?
 

David Lamb

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Problem for you is that you were not chosen B4 creation. No one was.

What we know is that the means of salvation was already determined B4 creation, by grace through faith in God.
But the verse in question says:

“just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love,” (Eph 1:4 NKJV)

How can "chose us" mean "chose the means of salvation?"
 

David Lamb

Well-Known Member
BF, there are Calvinists who believe they will come repentance and believe based on the fact of God's Election.

And there are those who believe because of God's Election repentance and believing is already taken care of for them.

This is a hyper-Calvinist!
That is something I have never come across, somebody who believes in the Doctrines of Grace also believing that they don't have to repent and believe because it has "already been taken care of." I fully believe the Doctrines of Grace, and I also hold to the necessity of belief in the Lord Jesus Christ, and repentance, for salvation. I praise God that, by His grace, He has granted me to do both.
 

David Lamb

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He can't remember as he never did. You have to realize that he thinks he was chosen B4 creation so why worry about faith or repentance.
Well, I too believe I was chosen before the foundation of the world, but I also know I needed to believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved, and to repent. You seem to know Brightfame52 very well to be able to know that they never believed and repented. Either that, or you are making a false assumption.
 

Brightfame52

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When religionist make faith or repentance or anything else for that matter conditions man must meet in order to get saved or justified before God they are denying that Salvation/Justification is a free gift of Gods Grace. Thats in contradiction to Rom 3:24

24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

Rom 5:16

16 And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

The free gift is unto Justification !
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
He can't remember as he never did. You have to realize that he thinks he was chosen B4 creation so why worry about faith or repentance.
Again Peter preached as Jesus instructed him, that repentance is a gift given by Him, given in Hs Name Lk 24:46-47

46 And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behooved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:

47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

Yet religionist have stolen the gifts of repentance and faith to be given by the risen Christ to them He saved, and turn them into conditions man must meet to get saved. Thats very foul !
 

MMDAN

Active Member
Faith and repentance are the conditions that must be met to be justified.

God doesn't tap you on the shoulder and declare you justified! You must repent and believe.

Why do you think the Scripture says, "He has commanded all men everywhere to repent?"
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
You are misunderstanding those verses, BF.

How many times did Christ say, "if YOU don't repent, you will die in your sins?"

Notice If "YOU" don't repent!

This is a very serious situation you're dealing with here, I hope you understand the consequences of it.
No Im not misunderstanding the scripture, you are, for its as plain as day Jesus is the author/giver of repentance to Gods elect Israel, spiritual israel Acts 5:31 and lest we think Israel here is limited to just ethnic jews, Peter made it clear that some Gentiles are given by God, the same gift of repentance Acts 11:18

So people need to be careful taking Gifts given, and turn them into conditions men must perform. Talking about consequences.
 

Brightfame52

Well-Known Member
Acts 20:21 - testifying both to Jews and to Greeks of repentance toward God and of faith in our Lord Jesus Christ.
Yes and he would have as Peter did, tell them that both faith and repentance are given by God, and not conditions. Paul taught that repentance was given by God 2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;
 

Charlie24

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Yes and he would have as Peter did, tell them that both faith and repentance are given by God, and not conditions. Paul taught that repentance was given by God 2 Tim 2:25

25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth;

That verse is not being understood!

Paul is giving pastoral instructions to Timothy, teaching him how to conduct that office.

Paul tells him, "in meekness instructing those who oppose themselves, if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth."

Paul is speaking of those who are opposing the truth, telling Timothy to give them instruction in meekness, hoping they will come to the knowledge of the truth.

Then in vs. 26 "that they may recover themselves from the snare of the Devil..."

God is willing to give them the opportunity to repent and come to the truth, but they must follow the instructions in repenting and believing.

In Acts 2:38, Peter gives those instructions, he tells them to "Repent" and that must be done by the individual.
 

Silverhair

Well-Known Member
I and others have said several times that those of us who believe such things certainly do NOT believe that we were chosen because we were special, or that God's choice gives us anything to boast about. After all, we are told that the choice was made "before the foundation of the world," so a great while before we were born - how can we boast about it?

There's the boast right there David, you think you were so special that you were chosen B4 the foundation of the world.

That is not biblical but you continue too claim that you were.
 
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