What percent of Baptists are saved?

[dumbox1]

Diane,

Just to make sure we're all on the same page ...

Thess, the second time he quoted Jn. 6:53, accidentally dropped the "son of" before "man." (Although he had it in there the first time).

So, it's certainly not a "Catholic Bible thing" to tell us to "eat the flesh of man"!!!! (Typos happen -- even to meeeeeeeeee!)

God bless,

Mark

P.S. -- If your concern wasn't about his dropped "son of," that's a horse of a (slightly) different color.

 

[thessalonian]

Originally posted by Mark H.:
Diane,

Just to make sure we're all on the same page ...

Thess, the second time he quoted Jn. 6:53, accidentally dropped the "son of" before "man." (Although he had it in there the first time).

So, it's certainly not a "Catholic Bible thing" to tell us to "eat the flesh of man"!!!! (Typos happen -- even to meeeeeeeeee!)

God bless,

Mark

P.S. -- If your concern wasn't about his dropped "son of," that's a horse of a (slightly) different color.

Ooops.

Don't mean to change God's word on him.

Thanks.

 

[thessalonian]

Originally posted by Tuor:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr /> Neither will bread and wine. But the flesh and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ as food for our
spiritual souls in this desert called life (kind a like the mana in the desert gave physical strength) now there's something that will save you.

Do you still get hungry after taking communion? </font>[/QUOTE]Hunger for food? Nothing to do with it.

 

[Eladar]

So you are saying that the bread is literal flesh, but the hunger is figurative hunger.

I see.

By the way, you may want to cross reference Matthew 15:16-20 to see what Jesus taught about the importance of literal food when it comes to salvation.

 

[thessalonian]

Originally posted by Tuor:
So you are saying that the bread is literal flesh, but the hunger is figurative hunger.

I see.

By the way, you may want to cross reference Matthew 15:16-20 to see what Jesus taught about the importance of literal food when it comes to salvation.

Well if it were bread I would agree with your point. But it's not so I don't. I am well aware of what good literal food is to salvation. But once again this isn't food for the body. When Jesus says "it is the spirit the quicketh, the flesh profiteth nothing", does he mean that his body is worthless. Seems kind of strange since he allowed it to be hung from a Cross. No, I think he is saying that our fless does not profit from the Lord's supper. But our spirit does. Nice try though.

By the way, since when is spiritual hunger not real hunger?

 

[Carson Weber]

Hi Diane,

You wrote, "There is no mystical mumbo jumbo of the cup and wafer actually becoming the body and blood of Christ."

Just as there is no mystical mumbo jumbo about God becoming a human being? A phrase like "mystical mumbo jumbo" does nothing more than muddle the conversation.

Have you ever heard of a practitioner of the occult breaking into a Baptist church to steal grape juice and crackers? Those who partake in the Black Mass want Him, not a symbol; they break into Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churches for a reason. Satan is certainly a believer in "mystical mumbo jumbo".

You wrote, "Grape Juice and Crackers cannot save me from hell."

And when Jesus held up what appeared to be grape juice and crackers, he didn't declare them to be grape juice and crackers. He declared them to be his very own body and blood. Catholics do not believe that grape juice and crackers save from hell; they believe the Paschal Sacrifice of Jesus Christ saves, and that we are saved by the inifite merits of that one sacrifice on Calvary. However, for a Jew, the sacrifice of the Paschal lamb included the Passover Seder/Haggadah meal, wherein the lamb's flesh was eaten. For a Jew, to partake in a covenant means to partake in the consumption of the covenant sacrificial meal. This concept is part and parcel with the Seder meal, which is the context in which the Last Supper was celebrated in the Upper Room.

You wrote, "Only salvation through accepting Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior will do that. Communion does not save us. Baptism does not save us."

A faithful Jew would recognize that one can only enter into a covenant through an oath (the Latin word for "oath" is sacramentum; this is why we refer to Baptism as a "sacrament"); it is through the Baptismal oath that Christians "accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour", and to separate Baptism from acceptance of Jesus as Lord is to create a false dichotomy. They are inseparable. Baptism and Eucharist are our means of incorporation into the New Covenant, made in the blood of Jesus Christ.

 

[Eladar]

By the way, since when is spiritual hunger not real hunger?

It is not literal hunger. It is not the kind of hunger that eating food can remedy.

 

[dianetavegia]

ACTUALLY 100% of Baptists are saved! The others are pseudobaptists or just church members!

I. The Scriptures
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter.


II. God
There is one and only one living and true God. …The eternal God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.


A. God the Father
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. …God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ.


B. God the Son
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ, He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. …He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His death on the cross, He made provision for the redemption of men from sin.


C. God the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. …He exalts Christ. He convicts of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. …He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.


III. Man
Man was created by the special act of God, in His own image, and is the crowning work of His creation. …By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race. … The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every man possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love.


IV. Salvation
Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, sanctification, and glorification.


V. God's Purpose of Grace
Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. …All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end.


VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is a local body of baptized believers who are associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel…and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. …This church is an autonomous body. …The New Testament speaks also of the church as the body of Christ, which includes all of the redeemed of all the ages.


VII. Baptism & the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water. …It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members … memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.


VIII. The Lord's Day
The first day of the week is the Lord's Day. …It commemorates the resurrection of Christ from the dead and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion.


X. Last Things
God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. …Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly…the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell. …The righteous… will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.

 

[thessalonian]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
ACTUALLY 100% of Baptists are saved! The others are pseudobaptists or just church members!

I. The Scriptures
The Holy Bible was written by men divinely inspired and is God's revelation of Himself to man. It is a perfect treasure of divine instruction. It has God for its author, salvation for its end, and truth, without any mixture of error, for its matter.


II. God
There is one and only one living and true God. …The eternal God reveals Himself to us as Father, Son and Holy Spirit, with distinct personal attributes, but without division of nature, essence, or being.


A. God the Father
God as Father reigns with providential care over His universe, His creatures, and the flow of the stream of human history according to the purposes of His grace. …God is Father in truth to those who become children of God through faith in Jesus Christ.


B. God the Son
Christ is the eternal Son of God. In His incarnation as Jesus Christ, He was conceived of the Holy Spirit and born of the virgin Mary. …He honored the divine law by His personal obedience, and in His death on the cross, He made provision for the redemption of men from sin.


C. God the Holy Spirit
The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of God. …He exalts Christ. He convicts of sin, of righteousness and of judgment. …He enlightens and empowers the believer and the church in worship, evangelism, and service.


III. Man
Man was created by the special act of God, in His own image, and is the crowning work of His creation. …By his free choice man sinned against God and brought sin into the human race. … The sacredness of human personality is evident in that God created man in His own image, and in that Christ died for man; therefore every man possesses dignity and is worthy of respect and Christian love.


IV. Salvation
Salvation involves the redemption of the whole man, and is offered freely to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, who by His own blood obtained eternal redemption for the believer. In its broadest sense salvation includes regeneration, sanctification, and glorification.


V. God's Purpose of Grace
Election is the gracious purpose of God, according to which He regenerates, sanctifies, and glorifies sinners. …All true believers endure to the end. Those whom God has accepted in Christ, and sanctified by His Spirit will never fall away from the state of grace, but shall persevere to the end.


VI. The Church
A New Testament church of the Lord Jesus Christ is a local body of baptized believers who are associated by covenant in the faith and fellowship of the gospel…and seeking to extend the gospel to the ends of the earth. …This church is an autonomous body. …The New Testament speaks also of the church as the body of Christ, which includes all of the redeemed of all the ages.


VII. Baptism & the Lord's Supper
Christian baptism is the immersion of a believer in water. …It is an act of obedience symbolizing the believer's faith in a crucified, buried, and risen Saviour, the believer's death to sin, the burial of the life, and the resurrection to walk in newness of life in Christ Jesus.

The Lord's Supper is a symbolic act of obedience whereby members … memorialize the death of the Redeemer and anticipate His second coming.


VIII. The Lord's Day
The first day of the week is the Lord's Day. …It commemorates the resurrection of Christ from the dead and should be employed in exercises of worship and spiritual devotion.


X. Last Things
God, in His own time and in His own way, will bring the world to its appropriate end. …Jesus Christ will return personally and visibly…the dead will be raised; and Christ will judge all men in righteousness. The unrighteous will be consigned to Hell. …The righteous… will receive their reward and will dwell forever in Heaven with the Lord.

Those all sound well and good Diane but I don't see any of those words in the Bbile. Thus they are external interprutations of the Bible and quite prone to error by any Protestant's standards.

God bless.

 

[dianetavegia]

Hogwash Thessalonian! That's your Catholic view of Protestants and nothing more. Remember, I do NOT debate with Catholics.

Diane

 

[CatholicConvert]

WHY?

Scared they might actually be able to defend what they believe?

Scared you might find out, as a LOT of us former Protestants have, that you are DEAD WRONG in your theology?

Wasssa matter?

I'm Eastern Orthodox Catholic. Wanna have a crack at me?

 

[dianetavegia]

Scared they might actually be able to defend what they believe? Scared you might find out, as a LOT of us former Protestants have, that you are DEAD WRONG in your theology? Wasssa matter? I'm Eastern Orthodox Catholic. Wanna have a crack at me?

No thank you. There are a lot of other people who are open to calm discussions. I prefer to discuss things in a nice way and not fight and fuss like goes on between Baptists and Catholics.

I am not a fighter. I'm sure you can find someone who'd enjoy fussing with you.

Diane

 

[Tazman]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
Hogwash Thessalonian! That's your Catholic view of Protestants and nothing more. Remember, I do NOT debate with Catholics.

Diane

Dian,

I'm not Catholic or Protestant or anything else along that line. I'm not Athiest or Baptist or anything along that line.
But I am a believer in Jesus Christ.

So having said that please talk with me.

In your definition of the way Salvation is obtian this is part of what you wrote:
IV. Salvation "and is offered FREELY to all who accept Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour ..."

Where in the bible does it say that salvation is "OFFERED FREELY", basically with NO TERMS?

And Were does it say in the Bible to "Accept Jesus as Lord" ONLY as terms for redemtion? And secondly, where is that taught in the Body of Christ after Pentacost?

And what does it mean to "Believe/Faith" in Jesus?

I Just need one specific scripture per question without allot of your opinions. If you don't mind.

My belief is this: The bible being Gods word will not contratdict its on specific topics. One of which if Truth,Faith, Repentance, Confession and Baptism.

 

[CatholicConvert]

Awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww......

Shucks....

There's nothing better than a good round of fussin' and fumin'.

Gets the heart pumpin'

Ahhhhh.....guess some of us unfortunate ones are just wired that way!!

 

[Dr. Bob]

I'm the guy who gets in trouble making statements about X% of a denomination being "saved". But you asked.

You cannot become a Baptist until you are old enough to make a personal profession of faith in Christ, based on repentance and grace.

Hence, the percentage of Baptists who are truly born again would be higher than many denominations that simply declare someone saved (maybe) by rite of baptism, eucharist or other sacraments.

 

[trying2understand]

Originally posted by Dr. Bob Griffin:
I'm the guy who gets in trouble making statements about X% of a denomination being "saved". But you asked.

You cannot become a Baptist until you are old enough to make a personal profession of faith in Christ, based on repentance and grace.

Hence, the percentage of Baptists who are truly born again would be higher than many denominations that simply declare someone saved (maybe) by rite of baptism, eucharist or other sacraments.

Perhaps you would care to offer a percentage for baptists.

At the same time perhaps you could relate your answer to the opening post.

"By their own statistics Elliff says that among Southern Baptists out of every 100 professions of faith only 30 are later baptized and out of that 30 only 10 will show up at church on a given Sunday morning and of that 30 only 4 will show up on a given Sunday evening."

If being saved makes you a new creation and changes your behavior, wouldn't being an active part of the called out assembly be part of that?

May we then conclude that only 4% of baptists are saved?

 

[dianetavegia]

Trying to understand quoted:

"By their own statistics Elliff says that among Southern Baptists out of every 100 professions of faith only 30 are later baptized and out of that 30 only 10 will show up at church on a given Sunday morning and of that 30 only 4 will show up on a given Sunday evening."

TTU, out of those 100 who professed faith, only the 30 who are baptised are BAPTISTS church members. You cannot be a member of a Baptist church unless you have followed in believer's baptism.

In MY local church, attendance is running just over 50% and doesn't include those in nursing homes, away on mission fields, away at college, away in the service, in the hospital, on vacation but attending church in that area, etc. Church attendance does NOT save. Only Jesus saves.

What percentage of Catholics, seeing that there are so many, are at mass every Sunday? My daughter married into a large Catholic family and only the father attends mass. He's can't even make his wife and two children still living at home attend.

Diane

 

[trying2understand]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
TTU, out of those 100 who professed faith, only the 30 who are baptised are BAPTISTS church members. You cannot be a member of a Baptist church unless you have followed in believer's baptism.

I thought that baptists believed that it was the profession of faith that saved - not membership in the baptist church.

What percentage of Catholics, seeing that there are so many, are at mass every Sunday? My daughter married into a large Catholic family and only the father attends mass. He's can't even make his wife and two children still living at home attend. Diane

Are you saying that there are wives and children in baptist churches who only attend because the husband makes them?

If that is the case, then perhaps 4% is too high of an estimate.

 

[dianetavegia]

TTU remarked: I thought that baptists believed that it was the profession of faith that saved - not membership in the baptist church.

And did someone SAY that? TTU, you AREN'T trying to understand. You're trying to fuss. I responded to your original post, as you requested. You quoted that 100 go forward but only 30 are baptised. Therefore you were implying that only 30% of Baptists were saved. I corrected you and said they are NOT Baptists if they have not been baptised. There's a lot of church members who aren't saved! I won't deny that at all. Baptism doesn't save! Church membership doesn't save. You can attend 3 services a week and not be saved! Only Jesus Saves.

Your last remark is just silly. Of course there are families where one person insists the rest attend. Generally it's the mom tho. So do you want to answer how many of the bazillion catholics attend every week? I'm sure the numbers are pretty close.

I won't argue with you. The Catholics on this board seem to like to butt heads. What a waste of our time!

Diane

 

[trying2understand]

Originally posted by dianetavegia:
You quoted that 100 go forward but only 30 are baptised. Therefore you were implying that only 30% of Baptists were saved.

No, I was not implying anything.

I was merely asking for an estimate of how many baptists are saved when taking in consideration the survey.

I corrected you and said they are NOT Baptists if they have not been baptised.

I wasn't aware of this.

Are you sure about that?

I believe that there are a number of baptists on the board who are not baptized and yet still consider themselves to be baptist.

So do you want to answer how many of the bazillion catholics attend every week?

Well, since I don't know all bazillion personally, and since I don't keep records on those Catholics that I do know - I really can't say.

I'm sure the numbers are pretty close.

What numbers are clost to what?

I'm not sure that "bazillion" is a number.

I won't argue with you. The Catholics on this board seem to like to butt heads. What a waste of our time!

I think that what you mean to say is, "It's so frustrating to me when the Catholics won't let me have the last word!"