What purpose does election and predestination serve?

He doesn't

God doesn't depend upon us, He set the rules and the conequences.

He doesn't ever depend upon us we either take His salvation or not. We are the ones will pay the consequences.

To God we are dead, Jesus is the only mediator between us and God. We depend on Jesus not Jesus depend upon us. He is our advocate, we only can talk to God through Jesus. Jesus is the only mediator between us and God.

He is the bridge. The only way we see the Father is through Jesus.

God doesn't repect you more than anyone else. The same hope you have the world has

 

Reject

Those who disown Jesus have no hope!!!

 

Mt 10:29, Luke 12:6 -- do NOT say by God's will. You wouldn't be trying to "pull a fast one," would you? The closest either comes is Luke who says "none of them is forgotten of God." It doesn't say He determined when and how they would die.

"Are numbered?" So He doesn't KNOW them -- He counted them out before creation? C'mon nrepreley. Ya gotta do better than that. How do you know He didn't just foreknow them?

Do you believe that God wills death? Why does He abolish it as the last enemy, Rev 20:14??

skypair

 

Psa109 -- you are a precious spirit to me! :thumbs: God bless you!

Wow! You are good!! I ought to just leave this thread to you!

skypair

 

OUR destiny depends on OUR decision. What was your decision, J.D.? Did you say, "Well, either I'm elect or I'm not God. No sense my telling You (choosing), God."

Or did you fall on your knees and humbly receive God's Gift?

Now what does that say about your theology -- Calvinist or free will?

skypair

 

Ummm......how bout the flood? He killed men, women, children, and infants.

 

Pride before a fall

Matthew 11:25
[ Rest for the Weary ] At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Jesus has not come to save the righteous, but sinners and children who need Him.

They didn't need Jesus, they were the chosen out of the chosen.

Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall. Only Jesus can open our eyes and He can't if they reject Him.

Jesus came into and His own received Him not.

The scripture teaches also that God blinds the wise, and has reveals the truth to children

 

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John 12

38: That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?
39: Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,
40: He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

He blinded them for a time but I don't thing for all time but so that the prophesy of Elias might be fulfilled.

 

Yeah I noticed after the fact and is why I deleted that post


However, what seems to have been forgotten for some is that this was Gods Judgment on unbelieving Isreal and is part and parsel to the very prophesy quoted and not just by him either but other prophets as well. They were not (as a Nation) allowed to see Him for who he truly was. Yes God blinded them that they would not believe then! BUT... Who were the first THOUSANDS saved. Those same Jews who at the first was blinded so they could not repent THEN

 

Yea, I think that is what I said.

 

He did seem to, didn't He :tear: Didn't even tell Noah to "round up" the innocent infants who were, remember, genetically and morally poisoned. In this case, I think we have to look to a higher purpose overriding God's will.

Same with the Canaanites that God told the children of Israel to drive out, or in some cases kill, every man, woman, and child before possessing the land. God knew that their sin was come to the full and that His purposes could be stymied if some lived (which later proved to be the exact case).

So, you are right. In fact, there is a sin unto death that even a believer can be guilty of. It is better for that one to die than to live. This is God's will in order that His purpose may be fulfilled.

However, we know from scripture that God created hell for Satan and his angels. Hell has to "expand itself" in order to accomodate the lost -- every one of them!

skypair

 

Absolutely not. First off, He witnesses to each person who is accountable because every such one is given an awareness of Him in their conscience/soul. That alone made you without excuse at the judgment seat. But then I'm sure He sent you the word, which John says is Jesus Spirit, and you chose to believe, right?

It was your choice, right? Now the Spirit entered with the word and gave you power to do it but you had the "ability" to choose either way.

So what was that "power?" It was God's Spirit testifying with your spirit, just as John says, ""of sin, and of righteousness and of judgment AND that you could be the child of God."

No. Clearly not. BUT the Spirit wasn't "in you" until the word entered into your mind, emotions, and will -- your spirit. Then I contend that, if one believes, one is "filled with the Spirit" (mind, emotions, and will"), repents and receives Christ by that power (did you experience that?). But if one does not believe or does not respond, one is said to have "turned back unto perdition" (Heb 10:39) or one "believes in vain" (1Cor 15:2).

But your salvation is NOT as Calvinists say -- you were regenerated before hearing. The INDWELLING Spirit, which is what regeneration is, is given to believers post salvation.

skypair