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What say you

What say you

  • I would be totally in greement with all His laws and punishments

    Votes: 4 20.0%

  • Some are all right but some are too harsh

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • I would not want to live under such laws

    Votes: 9 45.0%

  • other

    Votes: 7 35.0%
  • Total voters
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freeatlast

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Don said:
As one who has spent time in countries where "God's judicial laws" are the preeminent law of the land: God is good and just. Man is weak and sinful, and easily perverts God's laws to his own ends.
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While I don't disagree with your assessment that does not answer the question.
 
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preacher4truth

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freeatlast said:
If all the OT ceremonies, feasts, and rituals (religious aspects) were left out how many here who claim to know and love the Lord would be comfortable, even desire, to live in a country that holds to the rest of OT laws (the judicial laws) of God in regards to lawlessness?
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I cannot say nor agree that this hypothetical situation will ever come to fruition; It is not within Gods plan to do so.

Can any of us say, this side of salvation, that we would obey these things in their contemporary setting? Not without assistance from God Himself, no, and to completely "keep" them in the ideal meaning of "keep?" No one has done this except for Christ.

Gods coming kingdom, I do not believe, will have such laws in place, having been fulfilled by Christ Himself.

I think the hypothesis here to be a trap in a sense as to if a person says "No," then ones heart is judged as being "not right with God then." This is an unfortunate accusation really, as this situation will never occur in the first place.

I think for the most part the majority here love the Lord, and are thankful to not be under the curse of the Law, to fulfill it.

If I am deemed and judged as one whose heart is just not right, not as holy as anothers due to my answer here, then sobeit.

- Peace
 
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quantumfaith

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preacher4truth said:
I cannot say nor agree that this hypothetical situation will ever come to furition; It is not within Gods plan to do so.

Can any of us say, this side of salvation, that we would obey these things in their contemporary setting? Not without assistance from God Himself, no, and to copletely "keep" them in the ideal meaning of "keep?" No one has done this except for Christ.

Gods coming kingdom, I do not believe, will have such laws in place, having been fulfilled by Christ Himself.

I think the hypothesis here to be a trap in a sense as to if a person says "No," then ones heart is judged as being "not right with God then." This is an unfortunate accusation really, as this situation will never occur inb the first place.

I think for the most part the majority here love the Lord, and are thankful to not be under the curse of the Law, to fulfill it.

If I am deemed and judged as one whose heart is just not right, not as holy as anothers due to my answer here, then sobeit.

- Peace
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Great response.
 
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Arbo

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preacher4truth said:
I think the hypothesis here to be a trap in a sense as to if a person says "No," then ones heart is judged as being "not right with God then." This is an unfortunate accusation really, as this situation will never occur inb the first place.

I think for the most part the majority here love the Lord, and are thankful to not be under the curse of the Law, to fulfill it.

If I am deemed and judged as one whose heart is just not right, not as holy as anothers due to my answer here, then sobeit.

- Peace
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:thumbsup: Good post
 
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Arbo

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freeatlast said:
If all the OT ceremonies, feasts, and rituals (religious aspects) were left out how many here who claim to know and love the Lord would be comfortable, even desire, to live in a country that holds to the rest of OT laws (the judicial laws) of God in regards to lawlessness?
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What prompted you to ask this question?
 
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freeatlast

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preacher4truth said:
I cannot say nor agree that this hypothetical situation will ever come to furition; It is not within Gods plan to do so.

Can any of us say, this side of salvation, that we would obey these things in their contemporary setting? Not without assistance from God Himself, no, and to copletely "keep" them in the ideal meaning of "keep?" No one has done this except for Christ.

Gods coming kingdom, I do not believe, will have such laws in place, having been fulfilled by Christ Himself.

I think the hypothesis here to be a trap in a sense as to if a person says "No," then ones heart is judged as being "not right with God then." This is an unfortunate accusation really, as this situation will never occur inb the first place.

I think for the most part the majority here love the Lord, and are thankful to not be under the curse of the Law, to fulfill it.

If I am deemed and judged as one whose heart is just not right, not as holy as anothers due to my answer here, then sobeit.

- Peace
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You are correct in that it is solely hypothetical. We are told this;
Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

That passage is not saying you cannot know my heart, but that we cannot know our own heart. The question is a way to examine our own hearts. We claim to love the Lord and love His ways, but until we really look at what He is like and what He calls for we tend to examine ourselves by ourselves.
My fear for many is that on that day they will be left wanting because they did not examine themselves as scripture calls for. 2 Cor. 13:5 and 8.
It is no different then a person who says they love their spouse but they like being with others who fill their need as only the spouse should be doing. Their love is not love at all but convenience and self deception.
 
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preacher4truth

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freeatlast said:
You are correct in that it is solely hypothetical. We are told this;
Jer 17:9 The heart [is] deceitful above all [things], and desperately wicked: who can know it?

That passage is not saying you cannot know my heart, but that we cannot know our own heart. The question is a way to examine our own hearts. We claim to love the Lord and love His ways, but until we really look at what He is like and what He calls for we tend to examine ourselves by ourselves.
My fear for many is that on that day they will be left wanting because they did not examine themselves as scripture calls for. 2 Cor. 13:5 and 8.
It is no different then a person who says they love their spouse but they like being with others who fill their need as only the spouse should be doing. Their love is not love at all but convenience and self deception.
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OK. But I do not agree that your OP is the acid test to make a determination on this.

- Peace
 
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MB

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I checked other simply because We live under the commandment to love one another which fulfills the whole Law.
MB
 
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freeatlast

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preacher4truth said:
I see. At the very most your test here is subjective and is not by any means objective truth nor is it then an objective test.

- Peaxce
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I think that is correct. It has enough ability about it to cause alarm or enough to cause some comfort, but neither in an absolute way. If an alarm is raised we should began to question why we feel like we do knowing it is a red flag. If comfort is experienced then we need to enjoy it but keep examining and not become complacent.
 
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