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J. Jump: We do not become connected with Israel. When we are saved we become part of the one new man in Christ that is neither Jew nor Greek. That's how a Jew can still participate in this offer, they have to lose their national identity, because the offer was taken away from the Jews. So we become a one new man in Christ so that the offer is still not open to the Jews, but we are still descendants of Abraham fulfilling the promise to him, but we are connected to him through Christ.
Response: Amen! Ah, just as I thought. You do believe the gospel of Paul. End Response.
Incorrect. That was Paul's entire ministry. He preached this exact message to the Gentiles. That's why so many Jews had a hard time with Paul's ministry, because he was taken a message that was meant for them and giving it to the dogs.
Response: Paul is of the heavenlies (Ephesians, viz. 3:9-10). He is the only Apostle appointed by Christ Jesus from heaven, and given authority to preach to the Gentile, and he never preached the message of the Jew to a Gentile. He is not counted with the other Apostles based in Jerusalem.
We are to remember that the Jewish Apostolic church only had authority to preach the "kingdom gospel is at hand", and not the Body of Christ gospel of "through" faith, or the "rapture". End Response.
You lost me there. I'm not sure what you even mean.
Response: Your post stated the Bible was in error on this matter. End Response.
I agree with that, but Paul learned much more than the message of salvation by grace through faith.
Response: Then our conversations have not been in vain. End Response.
Couple of things. Jesus' kingdom will come to this earth, but that's not where the bride of Christ will be participating in the kingdom. If we are found worthy to be a part of the bride we will be ruling and reigning from the heavens where Satan and his angels are currently ruling from. Israel will be at the head of the nations on the earth ruling with Christ from the throne of David.
Response: We being in His Body are already married to Him. It is Israel in Jerusalem that is the Bride of the Lamb, and the "marriage supper" of the Lamb could last a long time during His thousand year reign. . End Response.
There are two aspects to the kingdom of Christ. Abraham was to have an earthly seed and a spiritual seed.
The offer of the earthly kingdom had already been promised to Israel. That will be fulfilled one day. What John the Baptist, Christ and the apostles were delivering was the offer to the heavenly (spiritual) part of the kingdom. That's why Matthew's Gospel actual is literally the kingdom of the heavens. It's plural because it is talking about the spiritual realm where Satan is currently ruling known as the heavens.
The 12 apostles are not in "their" kingdom yet as that is still future.
Response: Amen. End Response.
They will be part of the heavenly kingdom, but they will be ruling over Israel, while the bride of Christ will be ruling over the Gentile nations.
Response: Scripture tells us about the Apostles, but I'll not make a concrete pronouncement at this time of all in the Body of Christ. We are His inheritance. A third of the Angels rebelled, and I lean toward that number will again exist, and we could be it, for He has chosen us, and in Him we will be faithful forever. End Response.
This is a future fulfillment. It has not happened, but will happen one day.
Response: We do agree
J. Jump: We do not become connected with Israel. When we are saved we become part of the one new man in Christ that is neither Jew nor Greek. That's how a Jew can still participate in this offer, they have to lose their national identity, because the offer was taken away from the Jews. So we become a one new man in Christ so that the offer is still not open to the Jews, but we are still descendants of Abraham fulfilling the promise to him, but we are connected to him through Christ.
Response: Amen! Ah, just as I thought. You do believe the gospel of Paul. End Response.
of His earthly Apostles never preached this gospel to or at a Gentile.
Incorrect. That was Paul's entire ministry. He preached this exact message to the Gentiles. That's why so many Jews had a hard time with Paul's ministry, because he was taken a message that was meant for them and giving it to the dogs.
Response: Paul is of the heavenlies (Ephesians, viz. 3:9-10). He is the only Apostle appointed by Christ Jesus from heaven, and given authority to preach to the Gentile, and he never preached the message of the Jew to a Gentile. He is not counted with the other Apostles based in Jerusalem.
We are to remember that the Jewish Apostolic church only had authority to preach the "kingdom gospel is at hand", and not the Body of Christ gospel of "through" faith, or the "rapture". End Response.
So here I must kindly disagree with your thoughts above of "incorrect in my opinion" as to "their" kingdom.
You lost me there. I'm not sure what you even mean.
Response: Your post stated the Bible was in error on this matter. End Response.
God is reconciling the whole world unto Himself.
I agree with that, but Paul learned much more than the message of salvation by grace through faith.
Response: Then our conversations have not been in vain. End Response.
His "kingdom comes to this earth", and the Apostles are in "their" kingdom on "their thrones" judging "their People"(Matthew 19:28),
Couple of things. Jesus' kingdom will come to this earth, but that's not where the bride of Christ will be participating in the kingdom. If we are found worthy to be a part of the bride we will be ruling and reigning from the heavens where Satan and his angels are currently ruling from. Israel will be at the head of the nations on the earth ruling with Christ from the throne of David.
Response: We being in His Body are already married to Him. It is Israel in Jerusalem that is the Bride of the Lamb, and the "marriage supper" of the Lamb could last a long time during His thousand year reign. . End Response.
There are two aspects to the kingdom of Christ. Abraham was to have an earthly seed and a spiritual seed.
The offer of the earthly kingdom had already been promised to Israel. That will be fulfilled one day. What John the Baptist, Christ and the apostles were delivering was the offer to the heavenly (spiritual) part of the kingdom. That's why Matthew's Gospel actual is literally the kingdom of the heavens. It's plural because it is talking about the spiritual realm where Satan is currently ruling known as the heavens.
The 12 apostles are not in "their" kingdom yet as that is still future.
Response: Amen. End Response.
They will be part of the heavenly kingdom, but they will be ruling over Israel, while the bride of Christ will be ruling over the Gentile nations.
Response: Scripture tells us about the Apostles, but I'll not make a concrete pronouncement at this time of all in the Body of Christ. We are His inheritance. A third of the Angels rebelled, and I lean toward that number will again exist, and we could be it, for He has chosen us, and in Him we will be faithful forever. End Response.
and the Gentile's will grab hold of the Jew and say give us entrance "…for we have heard that God is with you" (Zechariah 8:23).
This is a future fulfillment. It has not happened, but will happen one day.
Response: We do agree