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Discussion in 'Bible Versions & Translations' started by John of Japan, Feb 16, 2017.

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  1. Yeshua1

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    So you would see that either Greek text would be good to use for study and translation purposes, and you just prefer MT one?
     
  2. Yeshua1

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    How do you like the Nasb?
     
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    So that would mean that the Critical text actually does give to us closer to what the originals were, or at least closer to what the first and second generation Christians knew to be the NT?
     
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    No.
     
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    I recommend you read The Byzantine Text-Type and New Testament Textual Criticism by Dr. Harry Sturz. Dr. Sturz was Dan Wallace's professor of Textual Criticism at BIOLA. Dr. Sturz studied at Dallas Theological Seminary and received his ThM, and ThD, from Grace Theological Seminary. This book was his Th.D. dissertation and was subjected to intense peer review. He sheds a lot of light on the claim there are no ancient witnesses to the Byzantine text.

     
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    No, it is not correct, as has already been shown in this thread!
     
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    So Dr Wallace would and does disagree with him them
     
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    So only the MT would reflect the origpnal text to us, and the Critical Greek text is what then?
     
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    I've been meaning to ask, any recommendations on a more entry level text on NT textual criticism? Hopefully something that manages to present both sides fairly? And cheaper than 67 bucks would be nice. :D
     
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    You can get it used for under $5 on Amazon. :)

    The Identity of the New Testament Text by Wilbur Pickering. Look for a used 1st edition. After that he began to go down hill insisting Family 35 was the only inspired word of God in Greek. Or something like that. :eek::rolleyes:

    There are some good articles on line that may pique your interest:

    http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/v06/Robinson2001.html

    But John of Japan will probably have a better list of suggested reading. Give him a holler. :)
     
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    Thank you.

    Oh @John of Japan , and recommendations?
     
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    I repeated the above in case TC missed it.
     
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    Yes indeedy.
     
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    With your criteria I would recommend New Testament Textual Criticism, by David Alan Black. It's concise and a comparatively easy read, inexpensive, done by a recognized scholar. Unfortunately, since it is copyright 1994 he doesn't include the Byz. Priority view, but he does talk some about the Hodges/Farstead majority position.

    Dr. Black is an eclectic, but departs from them in holding to the longer ending of Mark.

    As for the Byzantine or Majority view, follow Dr. Cassidy's recommendations. And anything you can find online by Dr. Maurice Robinson will be excellent.

    If you want to go deeper you'll have to slog through some heavy reading. Let me know if you want more recommendations. :)
     
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    Just curious as to what would be the reall issue/problem for using eitherthe latest critical greek text, or the MT for study and translation use?
     
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    Seems that we just might have a MT only viewpoint here?
     
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    Thank you very much for the repy.
     
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    Six Hour Warning

    This thread will be closed sometime after 3 PM Pacific.
     
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    That is a very good book on this subject, as there are really scholarly works written to support both the CT/MT positions, but to wade into those, experts only need apply to get the full gist from them, and i am far from that, as was taught some of the basics, but not the stuff the translators and textual critics get into to!
    The main thing still remembered was that the NA 26th of that time was best for critics due to all of the aparatus in it, but the 3rd edition UBS best for translators, as they did not need all of that stuff in margins!
     
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    I disagree with the source texts and with the Lockman Foundation policy on allowing usage. (They are much too paranoid about copyright.) As a translation it is quite literal and therefore excellent for study, but could be in better English. They needed some more style editors.
     
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