What verses say that faith is a gift that God gives man?

[Particular]

Paul Hogan voice, "Now THAT'S a strawman!"

I have no idea who Paul Hogan is. Is he the brother to Hulk Hogan?

 

[loDebar]

You make sinners greater than God. Why is that?
If God paid for all sins, then there are no sins left to pay for. All humanity is, by your assertion, perfect in Christ. Nothing can separate any human from God and eternal life.
But, you claim that human action and rejection of God nullifies Jesus atoning work on the cross. Humans are, in your assertion, greater than God and his death on the cross.
You have no loophole.
So, the Bible does not support your assertion. The balance between eternal life with God or eternal suffering in hell is not determined by your acceptance or rejection of God. You don't hold that kind of power and God has not given you that kind of supreme authority.

All sinners are condemned to help as is.

A pardon is offered to all , but not accepted by all

 

[loDebar]

All sinners are condemned to hell as is.

A pardon is offered to all , but not accepted by all

 

[Dave G]

I have no idea who Paul Hogan is. Is he the brother to Hulk Hogan?

"Crocodile Dundee".

 

[Dave G]

The sin of those who reject Him is pardoned too

Then why are they going to be cast into Hell?

For their sins?
God's word states that all those cast into Hell will be judged according to their works:

" And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." ( Revelation 20:11-12 ).

The "dead", not the "living" ( who are the recipients of the first resurrection... and have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them ) will be judged according to their works.
God is a God of the "living" ( Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke Luke 20:38 ).
Only the dead ( spiritually ) will be judged.

So, if not for their works, which are all sin ( Isaiah 64:6 ), then what?
You say that their sins are all pardoned...since unbelief is a sin ( John 16:9 ), then even unbelief is forgiven by the blood of Christ.
That is, if everyone is forgiven and pardoned.

According to 1 John 2:2, Christ is the propitiation ( appeasement ) for not only "our sins, but for [the sins of] the whole world.".
If "whole world" means every man, woman and child that ever lived, then no one is guilty of sin...are they?

Again, if your statement is true, then we seem to have people being cast into Hell that are forgiven of the sins that God is going to judge them for.
Justice has already been served.

It appears that you would have God judging them again, for sins that are already forgiven.

 

[loDebar]

Then why are they going to be cast into Hell?

For their sins?
God's word states that all those cast into Hell will be judged according to their works:

" And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is [the book] of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works." ( Revelation 20:11-12 ).

The "dead", not the "living" ( who are the recipients of the first resurrection... and have the righteousness of Christ imputed to them ) will be judged according to their works.
God is a God of the "living" ( Matthew 22:32, Mark 12:27, Luke Luke 20:38 ).
Only the dead ( spiritually ) will be judged.

So, if not for their works, which are all sin ( Isaiah 64:6 ), then what?
You say that their sins are all pardoned...since unbelief is a sin ( John 16:9 ), then even unbelief is forgiven by the blood of Christ.
That is, if everyone is forgiven and pardoned.

According to 1 John 2:2, Christ is the propitiation ( appeasement ) for not only "our sins, but for [the sins of] the whole world.".
If "whole world" means every man, woman and child that ever lived, then no one is guilty of sin...are they?

Again, if your statement is true, then we seem to have people being cast into Hell that are forgiven of the sins that God is going to judge them for.
Justice has already been served.

It appears that you would have God judging them again, for sins that are already forgiven.

They reject God as Saviour, although they did not have to,

 

[Particular]

They reject God as Saviour, although they did not have to,

Is that a sin?
According to you, all sins are pardoned.
Can you see the dilemma you face with your proposition?

 

[utilyan]

Is that a sin?
According to you, all sins are pardoned.
Can you see the dilemma you face with your proposition?

You making the assumption those in hell don't want to be there when in fact separation from God is their ultimate prize. They hate God, can't stand God and want nothing to be in his presence.

Hell is locked from the inside.

The idea that Jesus has random unconditional love for select and unconditional hatred of others makes Jesus Christ the very definition of evil Anyone who has unconditional hatred of another is doing perfect worship of Satan. .

 

[Martin Marprelate]

You making the assumption those in hell don't want to be there when in fact separation from God is their ultimate prize.

I don't think so. "There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth' (Matthew 8:12; 13:42; Luke 13:28.
Hell is not a retirement home for elderly agnostics.

 

[Dave G]

They reject God as Saviour, although they did not have to,

Man rejecting God is called " unbelief" , which is a sin.
Again, if even the sin of unbelief is forgiven, then what is God going to judge men for, if all sins were pardoned to all men at the cross?

 

[Dave G]

You making the assumption those in hell don't want to be there when in fact separation from God is their ultimate prize. They hate God, can't stand God and want nothing to be in his presence.

Yet, no one wants to go there.

Hell is locked from the inside.

Quite the contrary...it's locked from the outside.

The idea that Jesus has random unconditional love for select and unconditional hatred of others makes Jesus Christ the very definition of evil

I think we both know the answer to that.

Anyone who has unconditional hatred of another is doing perfect worship of Satan. .

Again, the condition of God's hatred of something or someone, is willful and unrepentant disobedience.
You're missing the point of Scripture.

 

[loDebar]

Man rejecting God is called " unbelief" , which is a sin.
Again, if even the sin of unbelief is forgiven, then what is God going to judge men for, if all sins were pardoned to all men at the cross?

It is not "unbelief" but it is placing oneself or something else over God, Pride ,which God hates, is actually idolatry . We want our will over God's.
We are already judged and condemned, We do nothing, we are staying in condemnation, Repent and accepts God's pardon is salvation. The price is paid. The pardon offer is open now but will end.
. God died for all sins, one time, It is sufficient to save all who choice. He wants all to choose redemption.

 

[utilyan]

Yet, no one wants to go there.

Quite the contrary...it's locked from the outside.

I think we both know the answer to that.

Again, the condition of God's hatred of something or someone, is willful and unrepentant disobedience.
You're missing the point of Scripture.

"Yet, no one wants to go there."

Brother if YOUR version of God who hates people unconditionally were true. Hell doesn't sound like a bad option at all.

Unconditional Election is the sugar coated word for unconditional hatred. From before you existed God CHOSE to love you simultaneously choosing to hate the "reprobate". The difference between you and the "reprobate" nothing. You have no better quality ie. HE unconditionally chose to hate his ordained reprobate.

A rose by any other name is still a rose. Unconditional election is evil and the bread and butter of unconditional hatred.

 

[Particular]

You making the assumption those in hell don't want to be there when in fact separation from God is their ultimate prize. They hate God, can't stand God and want nothing to be in his presence.

Hell is locked from the inside.

The idea that Jesus has random unconditional love for select and unconditional hatred of others makes Jesus Christ the very definition of evil Anyone who has unconditional hatred of another is doing perfect worship of Satan. .

You missed the entire point. Try again. You still have a huge contradiction to work out.

 

[MB]

Revelation 5:9, Matthew 1:21, John 10:15, Ephesians 1:4, John 6:37-40, Isaiah 53, 2 Corinthians 5:21, Colossians 2:13-14, Hebrews 7:25

Limited atonement-is it biblical? | GotQuestions.org

No it isn't biblical
Not one of these verses says anything about limited atonement. Christ died for the sin of the world. Limited atonement is the imagination of Calvinist
MB

 

[loDebar]

Act 10:34¶
Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons:

Rom 2:11

For there is no respect of persons with God.

Acts 10:34

Opening his mouth, Peter said: "I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality

God does not choose one created being for salvation and not another

 

[utilyan]

You missed the entire point. Try again. You still have a huge contradiction to work out.

Which is what? fill me in. You can forgive a person for punching you in the face, they may still decide to do it again even if forgiven. You got this wrong concept that sin is some paid out perk, when the whole problem is the sin.

If anyone wants to know what my God is like they only need to look at Jesus Christ.

Jesus Christ is not evil Jesus Christ isn't a snooty sanctimonious megalomaniac who from before time decides to HATE a person for NO REASON. Especially to hate a person for "Their own Glory".

I can tell anyone as Christ did the example to follow is God. You couldn't do that with a Calvinist version because choosing to hate a person let alone hating them for no reason is completely evil.

Even John Calvin didn't believe God hated anyone and understood anthropomorphism and the impassibility of God.

 

[Particular]

No it isn't biblical
Not one of these verses says anything about limited atonement. Christ died for the sin of the world. Limited atonement is the imagination of Calvinist
MB

All the verses present God's sovereign choice of his people. You miss the entire Bible if you do not see God choosing a people into himself.
There is no time in the Bible where God says anything about unlimited atonement either. These terms are human descriptors of what we see revealed in scripture. It is the same when we discuss the Trinity. So, your complaint is moot.

 

[loDebar]

All the verses present God's sovereign choice of his people. You miss the entire Bible if you do not see God choosing a people into himself.
There is no time in the Bible where God says anything about unlimited atonement either. These terms are human descriptors of what we see revealed in scripture. It is the same when we discuss the Trinity. So, your complaint is moot.

He did not choose Israel unto Salvation but as nation where the Messiah could be born.

 

[George Antonios]

You hate the Jesus in the Bible. You hate that he is the Supreme ruler who has full authority over all his creation. You hate that he has authority to pardon or not pardon sin.
Utilyan, you know nothing of Jesus Christ. You have created a Jesus in your own image. In your world, you are the supreme ruler and Jesus is your minion.

Whoa. Even if he were a heretic on this point, which he isn't, that's a hard and false charge.

Job 13:8 Will ye accept his person? will ye contend for God?