What's Wrong with Younger Pastors'???

[saturneptune]

Chapter & verse please.

Galatians 5:22 lists the fruits of the Spirit. There are many verses about individuals of a church working together as a unit with the local church to make the whole.

I think Eph 4 1-16 is one excellent example



4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it[a] says:


“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”

9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Galatians 5:22 lists the fruits of the Spirit. There are many verses about individuals of a church working together as a unit with the local church to make the whole.

I think Eph 4 1-16 is one excellent example



4 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

7 But to each one of us grace has been given as Christ apportioned it. 8 This is why it[a] says:


“When he ascended on high,
he took many captives
and gave gifts to his people.”

9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions[c]? 10 He who descended is the very one who ascended higher than all the heavens, in order to fill the whole universe.) 11 So Christ himself gave the apostles, the prophets, the evangelists, the pastors and teachers, 12 to equip his people for works of service, so that the body of Christ may be built up 13 until we all reach unity in the faith and in the knowledge of the Son of God and become mature, attaining to the whole measure of the fullness of Christ.

14 Then we will no longer be infants, tossed back and forth by the waves, and blown here and there by every wind of teaching and by the cunning and craftiness of people in their deceitful scheming. 15 Instead, speaking the truth in love, we will grow to become in every respect the mature body of him who is the head, that is, Christ. 16 From him the whole body, joined and held together by every supporting ligament, grows and builds itself up in love, as each part does its work.

Thank You:thumbs:

 

[webdog]

You misinterpret "made to be" as determinism. Does not the Scripture teach that we are given spiritual gifts as the Holy Spirit wills? Some are made to be merciful, some are made to be administrators, teachers, etc.

I don't disagree about gifting. I disagree on the 'call'.

 

[Mexdeaf]

I don't disagree about gifting. I disagree on the 'call'.

Call it whatever you will. I have a gifting to pastor. Or perhaps better said, the giftings to be a pastor.

 

[JonC]

One thing that does bother me is the calling of pastors to specific duties. I have never seen a pastor who received a doctorate be “called” as a bi-vocational pastor of a small church. I have never seen a pastor who has no seminary experience be "called " (or at least accepted) to pastor a mega church. This leads me to wonder how much is “calling” and how much is a business oriented decision.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

One thing that does bother me is the calling of pastors to specific duties. I have never seen a pastor who received a doctorate be “called” as a bi-vocational pastor of a small church. I have never seen a pastor who has no seminary experience be "called " (or at least accepted) to pastor a mega church. This leads me to wonder how much is “calling” and how much is a business oriented decision.

Ya think:thumbs:

 

[JonC]

Ya think:thumbs:

Occasionally.

 

[webdog]

Call it whatever you will. I have a gifting to pastor. Or perhaps better said, the giftings to be a pastor.

Awesome! You have desired an excellent thing

 

[InTheLight]

Chapter & verse please.

I Peter 4:10 NKJV
As each one has received a gift, minister it to one another, as good stewards of the manifold grace of God.