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Featured When Did You Receive of God's Grace?

Discussion in 'Other Christian Denominations' started by Heavenly Pilgrim, Mar 25, 2012.

  1. percho

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    Jesus, who knew no sin but took our sin on himself became sin for us and by obedience of faith, that is was obedient unto death even the death of the cross. He shed his blood and died.

    By that shed blood, shed in faith, man then was justified, reconciled to God.
    However the men who had died ten days before that was still dead. There is no life in one who is dead and Jesus was dead three days and three nights.

    Romans 5:10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life. See also V9.

    "The Soap," was, regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit.
    That part of Titus 3:5 from Scripture4all.org Greek interlinear
    He-SAVES US THRU BATH OF-AGAIN-BECOMing AND UP-NEWing OF-spirit HOLY

    The Grace of God is the giving of eternal life because of the promise of, the hope of eternal life, that was made before the beginning of time.

    The Spirit is life. He was regenerated with life by the Spirit Holy, of life after the third day of being dead.

    Christ did die for us, did he not?
     
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    I posted...

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    wow
     
  3. percho

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    I believe God's grace is "life" whether it be this present life we live in the flesh and or more specifically the life to come, for it, the life to come, is eternal life that follows an appointment of death and judgement.

    My concept of life is, to be and my concept of death is, not to be.
     
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    Grace has to do with Spiritual Blessings. Having physical life is no indication of God's Grace, thats just humanism !
     
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    Here is my understanding. Acts 15:18 Known unto God are all his works from the beginning of the world.

    God began something in the beginning and the word of God is about how that has been brought about.

    I believe that goal of God being an ultimate creation of man in the image of the resurrected from the dead, man child Jesus who was conceived in a woman by the Living Speaking Spirit The God Holy. From the beginning, before times of ages, before the first man Adam was created, the aforementioned God made a promise of the hope of eternal life and also at about this same time from the foundation of the world the Lamb, the man child, was slain.--------Grace was the plan. That Lamb was without spot or blemish, the man child Jesus was without sin but was made sin for us. Christ died for us. Grace was the Father God giving him that eternal life that was hoped for. Grace, eternal life, salvation, being saved came through the faith. Heb 11:1 Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
    The Faith of the man child who had been made sin that his Father God would raise him from the dead.

    That plan required creating a living soul in the image of his creator yet subject to death and corruption.

    Through the Grace of God toward his only begotten Son born in the image of the first man Adam, God destroys death and him that has the power of death that is the devil, Satan and by giving this eternal life through his only Son to others, deceived by Satan, God is even more glorified.

    Correct me if that is the wrong understanding so we can rightly divide the word of truth.
     
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    Hello all, the question is a good one, and if I understand it correctly; it was: when does a person receive the grace of God... I believe, that it is correct to believe that God's grace was given to those who would believe in Christ Jesus before the foundation of the world. In His infinite foreknowledge He could see all who would believe on Him by faith and would most assuredly guide the details of those individuals lives from birth to the point when they heed the call to salvation and believe on Christ. Insisting that our Sovereign God goes down a list of the the few, the proud, the elect of elect; actually limits His ability to save (in our own minds eye of course) and promotes the feelings of discord that I see to be prevalent in America. The Scripture points out His Sovereign Grace, anyone who loves the truth understands that He is Light; and that the whole world lies in darkness. The point of grace that consumes me was when He translated me from darkness into His marvelous light. The facts that were before the foundation of the world and the reality of the future met at that moment in me, as well as each of us who are called according to His purpose, and that would include all who would believe on Christ Jesus according to John 3. I don't usually post on open forums and typically try to stay away from points of contention but I see the controversy of who is and who is not a liar a bit immature. The devil is a liar and the father of it. Of course through the Church age many a lie has been forged and given place by those who would love this present darkness. A prescription for good spiritual health has been set for us in the Word of God. 2 Timothy 2:19 makes it clear that the controversy over who is and who is not God's elect does not fall within the boundry of our responsibility; we are told to depart from iniquity. The fruit of one's conversion and calling are all too evident with time. God's ways are not our ways, if we have zeal for His Way, then let us put our hands to the plow and turn up the fallow ground. Let's get out there in the fields and harvest souls that are immensely deceived by the trickery of our adversary. (2Peter 3:9) 'The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.' For those of us who believe in the Sovereign Grace of God, we understand that He calls us to Christ and by grace through faith we respond to the calling, but it doesn't end there. James starts with a note of encouragement (James 1:2) and ends with a similar note of encouragement with a warning (James 5:20) God sent His only begotten Son to die so that sinners might be forgiven and the work of the devil be destroyed. Praise the Lord! Men like John Wesley were not completely wrong as any Baptist should contest that Calvin was not the Apostle to the gentiles but only made his feeble attempt at following the teaching that had been brought back to the public eye which had been kept hidden for a longtime in the dark age of the Church. Any and all grace has to come from God, but the aim of grace is to translate us out of the darkness. Sin, transgression; is what has made the world so dark. John 3:17-21 ' For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.' The original sin brought death and disgrace upon man, the Light of the World; Jesus Christ brought hope and peace to all who would believe and repent. I hope that this weekend will be a good time to start a revival of the soul in your churches and that the only name given to us by which we must be saved will be lifted up to a new level: the level of honor and prominence He deserves. John 1:17 'For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.'
     
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    So a Person has received Grace[experimentally] when they are given New Birth.; But again before Time began, every member of Christ's Body received Grace in Christ Jesus 2 Tim 1:9

    9Who hath saved us, and called us with an holy calling, not according to our works, but according to his own purpose and grace, which was given us in Christ Jesus before the world began,

    The Non Elect never receive Grace, because Grace is reserved for the Election Rom 11:5

    Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
     
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    I believe you to be correct in that all God is doing he is doing by election.

    And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to [his] purpose. Rom 8:28

    We did not exist before the world began. But God's purpose and grace did.
    Before the world began the Lamb was slain, (purpose) and before the world began the promise of the hope of eternal life was made (grace). The recipient of being slain and the receiving the promise of hope of eternal life would be the seed of Abraham. It was to Abraham and his seed the promises were made however Abraham has yet to receive the promises. This seed of Abraham is also the only begotten of the Father, Spirit The God, (see John 4:23,24 Greek online interlinear Scripture4all.org) conceived (being generated) in the virgin Mary by the Spirit is Holy. (Matt 1:20 also Greek interlinear.) This was determined 4000 years before it took place. God also knew at that time there would be the elect that would be saved by this purpose and grace.

    BTW The Passover was that slain Lamb
    The feast of unleavened bread was the cleansing of our sins by the blood of that slain Lamb after the resurrection. Washing of regeneration and our continued being cleaned through confession of sin.
    The feast of firstfruits began at Pentecost following the resurrection and is presently going on. By the firstfruits of the spirit a people are being called out of the nations for his name. The spring harvest, a remnant according to the election of grace.
    The feast of trumpets the return of Jesus the resurrection of the fristfruits
    the kingdom of God on earth with kings and priests from the election.
    The day of atonement; the binding of Satan that he can not deceive the nations.
    The feast of tabernacles The fall harvest and salvation of many the teaching and judgement of undeceived mankind when the residue of man might seek the Lord and the elect.
    The day of the feast, the great day of the feast See John 7:37
     
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    Every individual on this earth receives grace with every breath of air he breathes.
     
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    According to you !
     
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    perch

    The Elect did exist in their Head Christ before the world began, Just like they existed in Adam their Natural Physical Head when God created Him. Did they exist physically in flesh and blood, of course not, but in seed substance !


    Yes but you missed a key point in the phrase Gal 3:16

    16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

    Christ was the Seed, and all Chosen in Him were One with Him !

    The promise was made to Christ before the world began Titus 1:1-2

    1Paul, a servant of God, and an apostle of Jesus Christ, according to the faith of God's elect, and the acknowledging of the truth which is after godliness;

    2 In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

    The Promise was made to Christ and His Seed in Him before the world began ! This was revealed to Abraham !
     
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    According to the Word of God. If God didn't extend his grace to you, your heart would stop beating in the next second and you would die. It is by the very grace of God that we live and die. He sustains all things by the word of His power. But he doesn't have to sustain our lives on this earth. It is only by his grace that he does.
     
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    Amen DHK. Well spoken!:thumbs:
     
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