When was Satan's Fall From Grace?

[JonC]

Jon I put in bold the above.

And God saw the light, that good: and God divided the light from the darkness. Gen 1:4
1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Was the darkness in Gen 1:4 good also? Why did God divide the two?

From Heb 2:14 that through [the] death he might destroy him that had the power of [the] death, that is, the devil;

Before the man of flesh and blood was created from the dust of the ground had God already determined how he would destroy the devil?
Before the man was created was it already foreordained that Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: would die, shed his precious blood ?

Would that destroy the devil and his works and also redeem the, to be, created man from the earth of flesh and blood ?

Did the sin of the devil precede the sin of the man created flesh and blood out of the earth?

Could the following be said of the man given a spiritual law? Thou shall not eat of it. Rom 7:14 YLT for we have known that the law is spiritual, and I am fleshly, sold by the sin;

Was that Adam's state for the purpose of destroying the devil through Adam and his seed's redemption? Via the seed of the woman taken from the man?

I believe Genesis is speaking of light and dark (literally), like separating the land from the water.

Did the rebellion in heaven of Satan and 1/3 of the angles happen before the Garden? This is almost a non-questiij because it mixes the spiritual realm with the physical. We simply cannot know because it has not been given us to know.

I do not see value in speculating. There are no passages dealing with Satan's fall that intend to give us a timeline in relation to the physical world.

The purpose for "destroying the power of the one who holds the power of death" was to free mankind from Satan's bondage. Satan's time was always limited.

 

[percho]

I believe Genesis is speaking of light and dark (literally), like separating the land from the water.

Did the rebellion in heaven of Satan and 1/3 of the angles happen before the Garden? This is almost a non-questiij because it mixes the spiritual realm with the physical. We simply cannot know because it has not been given us to know.

I do not see value in speculating. There are no passages dealing with Satan's fall that intend to give us a timeline in relation to the physical world.

The purpose for "destroying the power of the one who holds the power of death" was to free mankind from Satan's bondage. Satan's time was always limited.

Ok let's approach this way.

in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Cor 4:4 YLT
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Did the darkness of this age begin with the little g, god of this age?
When do you think was the beginning of this age of the little g, god and darkness might have been?
Do you think if would have been relative to, the spiritual of the evil in unto the heavenlies ? The end of Eph 6:12.

1 John 3:8 YLT he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

When and where do you think the sin of the devil occurred? On earth or in the heavenlies?

 

[JonC]

Ok let's approach this way.

in whom the god of this age did blind the minds of the unbelieving, that there doth not shine forth to them the enlightening of the good news of the glory of the Christ, who is the image of God; 2 Cor 4:4 YLT
because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places;

Did the darkness of this age begin with the little g, god of this age?
When do you think was the beginning of this age of the little g, god and darkness might have been?
Do you think if would have been relative to, the spiritual of the evil in unto the heavenlies ? The end of Eph 6:12.

1 John 3:8 YLT he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

When and where do you think the sin of the devil occurred? On earth or in the heavenlies?

I do not believe we can call Satan's rebellion "sin". Satan was not made in God's image, as far as we know. The devil is the one who holds man in sin. He is "the adversary".

But Satan's rebellion occurred in the "heavenlies" (he desired to ascend to the Most High). And 1/3 of the angels joined in the rebellion.

You do not have to put it differently because my answer will always be the same.

When men strive to know these things which are not revealed in God's Word it is speculation. I am not sure that such a desire itself is not sin. You are not seeking God's revelation to man but are instead desiring to possess God's knowledge.

God tells us this was a rebellion against God in heaven as Satan and 1/3 of the angles waged war against God.

But to find your answer of exactly when this rebellion in heaven occurred you need to consult Satan or demons as God did not say (but I do not know they will be truthful).

 

[percho]

I do not believe we can call Satan's rebellion "sin". Satan was not made in God's image, as far as we know. The devil is the one who holds man in sin. He is "the adversary".

But Satan's rebellion occurred in the "heavenlies" (he desired to ascend to the Most High). And 1/3 of the angels joined in the rebellion.

You do not have to put it differently because my answer will always be the same.

When men strive to know these things which are not revealed in God's Word it is speculation. I am not sure that such a desire itself is not sin. You are not seeking God's revelation to man but are instead desiring to possess God's knowledge.

God tells us this was a rebellion against God in heaven as Satan and 1/3 of the angles waged war against God.

But to find your answer of exactly when this rebellion in heaven occurred you need to consult Satan or demons as God did not say (but I do not know they will be truthful).

My post said nothing about the rebellion of the devil. 1 John 3:8 states From beginning the devil is sinning. That is revealed in God's word. It does not state what that sin was nor when it took place.

 

[JonC]

My post said nothing about the rebellion of the devil. 1 John 3:8 states From beginning the devil is sinning. That is revealed in God's word. It does not state what that sin was nor when it took place.

The rebellion (Satan and 1/3 of the Angles in heaven) was sin. Are you suggesting this happened after the fall of Adam?

 

[kyredneck]

The rebellion (Satan and 1/3 of the Angles in heaven) was sin. Are you suggesting this happened after the fall of Adam?

Revelation Chapter 12

7​	And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels going forth to war with the dragon; and the dragon warred and his angels;

Luke Chapter 10

17​	And the seventy returned with joy, saying, Lord, even the demons are subject unto us in thy name.
18​	And he said unto them, I beheld Satan fallen as lightning from heaven

Revelation Chapter 12

9​	And the great dragon was cast down, the old serpent, he that is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world; he was cast down to the earth, and his angels were cast down with him.

1st Peter Chapter 5

8​	Be sober, be watchful: your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour,

Revelation Chapter 12

17​	And the dragon waxed wroth with the woman, and went away to make war with the rest of her seed, that keep the commandments of God, and hold the testimony of Jesus: