37818
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Genesis one sure is prophecy. How else would Moses know?
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Where Does the Bible Say that the Church Will be Removed From Tribulation?
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There were very few people between Moses and Abraham. Shem was probably alive at the time of Abraham. The knowledge of Genesis would have been passed on.
How would Moses kmow what?
There were very few people between Moses and Abraham. Shem was probably alive at the time of Abraham. The knowledge of Genesis would have been passed on.
Uh no you don't or you would not ask such questions as :
"Do you take every statement in Revelation and in the Bible literally? Certainly no one does. However, futurists often use literal interpretation to mean verses they interpret literally against verses they don't interpret literally, and, they are the ones who get to decide what is literal and what isn't."
This question shows you do not understand the literal position. Someone who does would not ask this question. Then it appears you have take some sort of interaction with someone else and assigned it to me. Apparently your position is weak and now you have to reach out to a broader group to support your position or criticism. You do not get to assign that to me.
This is a problem with these debates. Folks like you want to win a debate rather than have a discussion and in doing so you make hyperbolic statements like this over everything those in opposition your position. I have made a substantial argument. Just because you do not agree with it doesn't relegate to to that category. Your inability to recognize that shows a lack of a level of developed ability to discuss these issues.
Sigh, just because there was not an exact counting does not prove a non-literal interpretation is required. Matthew was using seasons of times under the Jews. His point was to communicate those literal times of seasons or dispensations that point to Christ's birth.
I did not quote Genesis one. I made reference to Genesis 3:15 which is a prophecy.
Thanks but my commment wasn't a response to you but to 37818. I didn't saays there is no pr, ophesy in Genesis.
I am fully aware of the dispensationalist view having been brought in the Plymouth Brethren and leaving it in my 30s
I have also studied the history of the movement, from its beginning with Edward Irving in 1825 who got the futurist teaching
from Jesuit Manuel Lacunza who wrote under a false name of Juan Josepat Ben Ezra to hide the fact that it was from a Catholic source and to aid the deception, the pope banned the book. The teaching of Irving was confirmed by some of his prophets "speaking in the power". The prophets pronounced that the rapture would be in 1260 days from January 1832 and they gathered together in July 1835 to await the event.
This was before John Darby got involved.
I have often found that if you ask a dispensationalist a question they they will accuse you of not believing the scripture and walk away.
The teaching certainly had an illustious history.
I am sort of on a dispensationalist forum. They say that if a prophesy can be interpreted literally it is literal, if not it is symbolic
I don't care what list of other people you name that held to all sorts of other things or make claims I am not making. It is irrelevant to me or what I post.
Read Revelations 7:1-4 They are the servants of God.
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Did you ever stop to think that my statement, "Do you take every statement in Revelation and in the Bible literally? Certainly no one does. However, futurists often use literal interpretation to mean verses they interpret literally against verses they don't interpret literally, and, they are the ones who get to decide what is literal and what isn't." is meant to show you that you don't hold to a literal interpretation when the text reveals that it is not to be taken literally.
Guess what. Neither do I.
The difference we have is in which passages are meant to be interpreted literally and which ones aren't. Apocalyptic language is not designed to be taken literally. It's meant to be understood symbolically. This means we need to see what the writer is pointing at so we can understand what is being revealed. John does a great job pointing us to the Old Testament and connecting the dots for us so that we understand the literal message God is giving us.
The futurist understanding is so disjointed and filled with holes that it takes incredible mental gymnastics and assumptions to make Revelation for into its presupposition. It's one reason why futurists spend cast amounts of time creating charts and diagrams to try fit everything into their box, only to have something not quite fit and thus force them to make another chart or diagram. The process goes on and on.
There is a woman in my church who holds the futurist view. She has spent her whole life making charts and diagrams about what might happen in the future, ever tweaking and ever adjusting, and ever praying she doesn't have to suffer for Christ because Jesus will remove her before the going gets tough. I often wonder what she would do if she had been born in Iran, North Korea, or China and came to faith. Would she ever think that life is great and all she needed was Jesus to rapture her before the tribulation started? Moreso, she has wasted much of her life on making charts and diagrams about an imagined future while missing out on studying God's word for a practical, present day relationship with God. She has missed out on the blessing of Revelation for the present moment. It makes me sad.
Then I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds so they did not blow on the earth or the sea, or even on any tree. And I saw another angel coming up from the east, carrying the seal of the living God. And he shouted to those four angels, who had been given power to harm land and sea, “Wait! Don’t harm the land or the sea or the trees until we have placed the seal of God on the foreheads of his servants.” And I heard how many were marked with the seal of God—144,000 were sealed from all the tribes of Israel:
(Revelation 7:1-4)
We are the servants whom God has sealed with the Holy Spirit.
Thanks but my commment wasn't a response to you but to 37818
Daniel 11 is an example of literal prophecy.