Featured Where does the Bible teach a pre-trib rapture?

Well of course not according to 1Thessalonians 4:15. That's Paul talking to the church about its rapture.

 

Mat 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved. Are you suggesting that they can be saved twice. If they are in fact Gods they don't need saving. In my opinion we are saved from tribulation and hell when we believe. How ever there will be saved people who come out of the tribulation. These were not saved before the tribulation. There will be 144000 Jews who will be preaching and leading people to Christ.
MB

 

No I don't understand how quoting a verse talking to the church about its rapture disannuls the rapture of non-church tribulation saints.

 

I'm sorry I have no idea what you're saying here. I don't mean that disparagingly, I honestly can't follow the thought.

 

I don't understand how this is an objection. A) Paul is revealing truths concerning the church, not concerning tribulation saints (who are not the church). B) You can still apply the principle to tribulation saints: no living tribulations saints will be raptured before the dead tribulation saints have been raised.
So again, I don't see where the problem is.

A) This is only promised to church-age believers. This is our promised predestination. There is no such predestination unto Christ's-image-bearing glorified bodies promised to tribulation saints. B) But again, let's apply it to tribulation saints. How is that an objection to my statement that there is more than 1 rapture?

Tribulation saints are not part of the church.

 

What do you consider the wrath of God to be? If it isn't the tribulation Then explain. The Bible says;

Rom 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him.

I can only think of the wrath of God. Do you really think a loving God would leave His children here to suffer His wrath? How do you figure God would save us from wrath. Everyone would have to move somewhere other than Earth because the tribulation will be the worst disaster to ever happen.. How would we survive?
Christians will be beheaded and suffer at the hands of men. That is those who are saved during the tribulation. Not to mention the anguish and pain of watching others suffer greatly while we are hear

1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Why would we be taken up in the air to meet the Lord just to turn around and come back down again at His coming?
MB

 

Jesus is talking about perseverance. A sign of salvation is enduring the tribulation, not falling away.

A sign of a false profession is falling away during persecution.

Persecution/tribulation separates sheep and goats/ wheat and tares.

peace to you

 

I offer the same counter in reverse now.
1Thessalonians 4 is about the church's rapture and has no bearing on any other body's rapture - or lack thereof.
Similarly, Revelation 20:4 is about the reigning of tribulation saints and has no bearing on the church's millennial rule - or lack thereof.
Yet again, where's the objection?

 

One harvest with three installments: firstfruits (those that rose with Christ), harvest (church), gleanings (tribulation saints).
And that's how Paul speaks of it:
1Co 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

But with Christ rose many bodies of the saints:
Mat 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose,
Mat 27:53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

So MANY rose from the dead long before the supposed singular-and-future resurrection. Clearly then the first resurrection is a reference to the resurrection of all the righteous unto life, in sundry installments, before the millennium.

If you understand it as one-singular event, then you must overlook much revelation.
With that kind of "understanding" you could read:
Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
And claim that Gabriel taught a simultaneous singular resurrection of just and unjust, yet John reveals there are two and separated by 1,000 years, as you quoted.

2Ti_2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

 

The separating of the sheep and goats happens on judgement day They are gathered before the Lord and Judged the sheep will receive there rewards and the goats are sent to hell Mat. 25:32-41, This is after the tribulation is over. Christ is already on His throne.
MB

 

Then explain why we, those that will be caught up are caught up into the air to meet the Lord in the air? Just to return with the Lord.

1Th_3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
He cannot return with all His saints unless they are with Him. You seem to disregard this fact. The saints have to be caught up first,
MB

 

If the Rapture does happen before the wrath of God then it is only reasonable the rapture happens before the tribulation thus a pre-tribulation rapture. It last for 7 years. To me it starts when the man of sin ,or the anti Christ comes on the scene and he is revealed.. He can't come on the scene until the one that with holds sin is removed.This would have to be the Church I speculate. The first 3 1/2 years is when his treaty is signed and he presents him self as god
MB.