Where is the IFB Sytematic Theology?

[matt wade]

It is not right to NOT hate every thing that exalts itself against the knowledge of God.

Much IFB philosophy and thinking does just that.

Please list the IFB philosophies that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Then please give us proof that the majority of IFB churches adhere to these philosophies. Until you do these two things, you are doing nothing but spouting off hateful rhetoric, Rick.

 

[dcorbett]

Please list the IFB philosophies that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Then please give us proof that the majority of IFB churches adhere to these philosophies. Until you do these two things, you are doing nothing but spouting off hateful rhetoric, Rick.

AMEN and AMEN!

 

[Luke2427]

Please list the IFB philosophies that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Then please give us proof that the majority of IFB churches adhere to these philosophies. Until you do these two things, you are doing nothing but spouting off hateful rhetoric, Rick.

I have been doing this for days. Kjvo for one example. And it doesn't have to be the majority.

 

[matt wade]

I have been doing this for days. Kjvo for one example. And it doesn't have to be the majority.

I understand that you think KJVO is heretical. Why don't you give some other examples? Also, please explain how the philosophies exalt themselves against the knowledge of God.

If it doesn't take a majority, what does it take for you to condemn an entire group of people? If one IFB church practices something, will you call out all IFB? Is your church SBC? Would it be fair for me to call out the entire SBC for a single zealot pastor at a little country church in Mississippi?

 

[Robert Snow]

It was not Luther's intent to come out of the RCC. Not at all. It was only years later when he felt that he had exhausted every possible means of reforming the RCC that he finally, and reluctantly, left the church. He understood what would happen once the split occured, and he was right.

Yes, I agree. I didn't go into such detail, but thank you.

And, by painting the entire RCC with such a broad brush -- something you vehemently object to when applied to certain sects of Baptists! -- you do a great disservice to both God and God's movement in His people.

I think it does God a service to point out the evils of the Roman Catholic Church.

Also, I believe it is yet to be discovered as to whether the RCC is indeed the Harlot of Revelation. While some certainly hold that interpretation, that event has not yet come to pass in a manner where we can be so completely sure to make such a bold statement.

I believe it is evident in looking at Revelation that the Roman Catholic Church is definitely the Whore mentioned.

I recall that when Christ walked the earth, that the extremely educated Jews, who were literally professional lawyers of the Old Testament, failed to correctly interpret the very Scriptures that they were ever so familiar with and used in their courts every day. They completely missed "God with us" when He stood in their midst (and many Jews still do to this day) because of their flawed interpretation. That should be an example to the rest of us to stand on what is sure and proceed with caution with what is yet to be revealed fully lest we repeat the Jewish error.

Apples and air-conditioners!

 

[Luke2427]

I understand that you think KJVO is heretical. Why don't you give some other examples? Also, please explain how the philosophies exalt themselves against the knowledge of God.

If it doesn't take a majority, what does it take for you to condemn an entire group of people? If one IFB church practices something, will you call out all IFB? Is your church SBC? Would it be fair for me to call out the entire SBC for a single zealot pastor at a little country church in Mississippi?

Most sbc do condemn the hyper-independence and legalism found within so many IFB churches.

 

[matt wade]

Please list the IFB philosophies that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God. Then please give us proof that the majority of IFB churches adhere to these philosophies. Until you do these two things, you are doing nothing but spouting off hateful rhetoric, Rick.

 

[seekingthetruth]

Most sbc do condemn the hyper-independence and legalism found within so many IFB churches.

Will those two issues keep a person from being saved? NO

The independence issue is biblical (seperation from the world). We do heavily oppose the ecumenical practices of the SBC. We will worship with doctrinally sound churches of any faith, but the SBC has recently had close ties with RCC and others that we would not worship with.

Legalism, yes, if you go to a church this is of the Hyles ilk you will encounter rampant legalism. But you will find that most IFBer's oppose this even more than you.

OK, two minor issues down, but neither have any real meat nor make my church heretical.

John

 

[Luke2427]

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QUOTE=seekingthetruth;1757897]Will those two issues keep a person from being saved? NO

What does that have to do with anything?

But since you mention it, I think it does hinder kingdom progress which does indeed cost many their souls.

The independence issue is biblical (seperation from the world). We do heavily oppose the ecumenical practices of the SBC. We will worship with doctrinally sound churches of any faith, but the SBC has recently had close ties with RCC and others that we would not worship with.

The way most IFB churches do it that most of us on bb are familiar with is not biblical. It is cultic.

Legalism, yes,

We have an accord.

 

[matt wade]

Rick, you've stated that most IFB churches practice separation in a non-biblical fashion. Please provide proof for these statements. Until you do, you are simply spreading gossip and hearsay.

 

[seekingthetruth]

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What does that have to do with anything?

But since you mention it, I think it does hinder kingdom progress which does indeed cost many their souls.



The way most IFB churches do it that most of us on bb are familiar with is not biblical. It is cultic.



We have an accord.

I am sorry, but you being in the pulpit with your holier-than-thou arrogant attitude is probably costing more people their souls than 10 heretic churches.

You would sure turn me off. In fact I would probably leave before you finished your sermon.

John

 

[seekingthetruth]

Rick, you've stated that most IFB churches practice separation in a non-biblical fashion. Please provide proof for these statements. Until you do, you are simply spreading gossip and hearsay.

Good point Matt

Rick, just what is unbiblical seperation?

John

 

[Luke2427]

I am sorry, but you being in the pulpit with your holier-than-thou arrogant attitude is probably costing more people their souls than 10 heretic churches.

You would sure turn me off. In fact I would probably leave before you finished your sermon.

John

One can only hope.

 

[Amy.G]

I don't care what most people agree with. Neither should you.

Yes you do. That's why you have a fit when people don't agree with ancient theologians and don't know church history by heart.

 

[Amy.G]

We do heavily oppose the ecumenical practices of the SBC. We will worship with doctrinally sound churches of any faith, but the SBC has recently had close ties with RCC and others that we would not worship with.


John

Ok. You've lost me here. We do not have close ties with the RCC that I'm aware of.

 

[dcorbett]

One can only hope.

I had no idea you were in a pulpit. I have never heard a Pastor say
some of the insulting things you have said. I will pray for you.

 

[Luke2427]

I had no idea you were in a pulpit. I have never heard a Pastor say
some of the insulting things you have said. I will pray for you.

Thank you.

 

[Amy.G]

One can only hope.

What kind of preacher would say this? If you think Seeking is in error and you are teaching against error, wouldn't you want him in your church so he could learn correct doctrine (assuming that's what you teach)? A pastor is a shepherd and should be protecting the flock, not kicking them out.

 

[Robert Snow]

Luke posted the OP saying that IFB has no doctrinal roots, that they stole their doctrines from others.

In the course of the thread Luke has called IFB "bastards" and "thieves", said we were unbiblical, heretic, ect, ect,

This all about Luke's hatred for IFB and his quest to insult and ridicule it.

By condemning IFB , he is also insulting and ridiculing the born again Christians that make up IFB

This thread is nothing but a pure hateful vendetta by Luke against IFB.

John

Consider the source!

Posters like Luke2427 appear to be concerned with defending the Faith, while anyone reading his posts see this is not true. His intent is to criticize and argue with everyone who doesn't marvel at his great education and knowledge of church history. His favorite tactic is to insult and question the salvation of those who engage with him but don't agree with his beliefs. He is crafty; he does this while skirting the rules. He stays just inside the rules to keep from being banned. He seldom says anything positive or uplifting. Reading an extended number of his postings makes me glad I am not a Calvinists!

 

[Luke2427]

What kind of preacher would say this? If you think Seeking is in error and you are teaching against error, wouldn't you want him in your church so he could learn correct doctrine (assuming that's what you teach)? A pastor is a shepherd and should be protecting the flock, not kicking them out.

I protect my flock from Philosophies and theologies and ideologies that exalt themselves against the knowledge of God.

Those who warmly coddle them are not good pastors. How BACKWARDS is the thinking of some people!