Where was Jesus for 3 days?

[robycop3]

I’m not satisfied with that idea, because Jesus was to be in the tomb for 3 days. He didn’t say He would be resurrected immediately. Lazarus was resurrected before that time, as we’re others, so there are already more resurrections than you allow for.

Plus, Paul was definitely speaking to those in the church age when he wrote 1 Thess 4:
1 Thessalonians 4:15 (KJV) For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that *we* which are alive [and] remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.

All those who were resurrected died again, except for Jesus.

And Paul didn't know the time of Jesus' return. However, he wanted all Christians to know that the dead Christians would be resurrected before the rapture of those who will be alive when He returns.

 

[robycop3]

I’ll try to explain my position again, @robycop3. If Jesus said “I tell you today, ‘You will be with me in Paradise.’” the word “today” is an expression of when the thief was saved—that day on the cross when he confessed his sin and asked Jesus to save him (“remember me”), rather than when Jesus would see him again.

Both Jesus & the thief died that day, as Jesus knew they would, so "today" refers to that day. That's COMMON SENSE.

Your view uses that same passage to tell us both things, when Jesus would see the thief again as well as where Paradise was located at the time. But if “Paradise” was NEVER located in hades, which seems likely from the rest of scripture, then we have to look for a different interpretation.

Logically, “hades” is not, nor has it ever been seen to be, like “Paradise”.

I posted verses from Acts that PROVE paradise is in hades because they plainly said Jesus' spirit was in hades, and Jesus plainly said He would be in paradise. Put two & two together ! Again, that's COMMON SENSE !

 

[Derf B]

All those who were resurrected died again, except for Jesus.

And Paul didn't know the time of Jesus' return. However, he wanted all Christians to know that the dead Christians would be resurrected before the rapture of those who will be alive when He returns.

I agree with you here, and was responding to timtofly.

 

[Derf B]

Both Jesus & the thief died that day, as Jesus knew they would, so "today" refers to that day. That's COMMON SENSE.


I posted verses from Acts that PROVE paradise is in hades because they plainly said Jesus' spirit was in hades, and Jesus plainly said He would be in paradise. Put two & two together ! Again, that's COMMON SENSE !

Ah, I see. Whatever you think is true is “COMMON SENSE”, so you don’t have to search any further for truth. I thought our standard was biblical support for our positions.

But even if Jesus knew they would die that day, He’s not talking about death, but about resurrection. And neither of them would be resurrected that day.

If Paradise was not in Hades, then Jesus words need to be understood differently. Your passage proves too much, without other scriptural support. (Seems like common sense to me.)

 

[robycop3]

Ah, I see. Whatever you think is true is “COMMON SENSE”, so you don’t have to search any further for truth. I thought our standard was biblical support for our positions.

And my view is strictly Biblical. I posted the Scriptures backing it.

But even if Jesus knew they would die that day, He’s not talking about death, but about resurrection. And neither of them would be resurrected that day.

Jesus was talking about where their spirits would be after they died.

If Paradise was not in Hades, then Jesus words need to be understood differently. Your passage proves too much, without other scriptural support. (Seems like common sense to me.)

But Scripture proves paradise IS in hades, I merely pointed out what Scripture proves, not mens' untrue private interps of Scripture.

 

[Derf B]

Jesus was talking about where their spirits would be after they died.

Did He say “Your spirit will be with my spirit in Paradise”? If not, then it’s your interpretation. And you should go read what you said about men’s interpretations.

 

[robycop3]

Did He say “Your spirit will be with my spirit in Paradise”? If not, then it’s your interpretation. And you should go read what you said about men’s interpretations.

Don't be silly. You know what the Scripture says. This has gone far enough. One either believes God's word as He caused it to be written, or one doesn't. And apparently, I do & you don't.

 

[timtofly]

All those who were resurrected died again, except for Jesus.

And Paul didn't know the time of Jesus' return. However, he wanted all Christians to know that the dead Christians would be resurrected before the rapture of those who will be alive when He returns.

Question, who buried millions of ghost without a physical body? They were resurrected to ascend to heaven. Not to walk back into their graves. Dead people do not die twice in Christ. They were in Christ and ascended to Paradise with Christ.

 

[timtofly]

Ah, I see. Whatever you think is true is “COMMON SENSE”, so you don’t have to search any further for truth. I thought our standard was biblical support for our positions.

But even if Jesus knew they would die that day, He’s not talking about death, but about resurrection. And neither of them would be resurrected that day.

If Paradise was not in Hades, then Jesus words need to be understood differently. Your passage proves too much, without other scriptural support. (Seems like common sense to me.)

What verses within common sense state the thief would ever be resurrected? Paul mentions a bodily resurrection, while also saying, those in Christ are immediately with Christ. The common sense of the dead Rising first means at that time, but really? Common sense that says every time a person dies, they immediately rise to meet Christ. They do not go to sheol any more. So common sense says they have all been rising first for 1990 years. Now the thief went to Paradise that day, there is no common sense that states he will go to Paradise in the future. Overthinking like saying Jesus Christ as God with 6 parts, cannot be 6 different places upon death. Only His body of flesh was on the Cross, common sense. His Spirit or both went to Abraham's bosem. Common sense says that is when the captives were set free, and Matthew said many were in Jerusalem. Common sense says they came out of graves all over the world. They did not all walk to Jerusalem, that is just common sense. That would not prevent all, no matter where, to ascend to Paradise after 3.5 days. Now we still have the body of Christ, not the flesh one, the actual soul and the soul of Jesus. We have God, and the body that was walking around. The two souls stay combined, but God is in Paradise Himself, so the thief was in Paradise in heaven with God, and it happened that day. The two souls was the ghost Mary and two others met. Not tangible, but common sense says, like all other OT saints, in the same condition. No body of flesh. Flesh cannot enter heaven or Paradise. After the 3.5 days, all ascended to heaven. As explained above. Why go back into sheol? They were headed to Paradise but had to wait 3.5 days. They just kept heading to Paradise, just common sense of what happened on the Cross.

The Atonement happened. Paradise was opened happened. The thief arrived that day in Paradise happened. Paradise was in heaven because no place left in sheol. Paradise was never there, because overthinking Bible verses, does not make a fact. No one could enter Paradise, not even king David. Yep, king David was in Abraham's bosom. Yep, he walked around Jerusalem for 3.5 days. Nope, history does not record hundreds of OT ghost walking around Jerusalem. Did Peter see them? Was Peter out fishing on the Sea of Galilee? If he was out fishing, he probably missed all the ghost, just noticed a bunch of fish being disturbed, if any ghost were headed to land from the sea floor. They probably walked out, not floating to the top and walking on the water. Peter does not mention trying to walk on the water again. Man, left common sense somewhere.

 

[Derf B]

What verses within common sense state the thief would ever be resurrected? Paul mentions a bodily resurrection, while also saying, those in Christ are immediately with Christ. The common sense of the dead Rising first means at that time, but really? Common sense that says every time a person dies, they immediately rise to meet Christ. They do not go to sheol any more. So common sense says they have all been rising first for 1990 years. Now the thief went to Paradise that day, there is no common sense that states he will go to Paradise in the future. Overthinking like saying Jesus Christ as God with 6 parts, cannot be 6 different places upon death. Only His body of flesh was on the Cross, common sense. His Spirit or both went to Abraham's bosem. Common sense says that is when the captives were set free, and Matthew said many were in Jerusalem. Common sense says they came out of graves all over the world. They did not all walk to Jerusalem, that is just common sense. That would not prevent all, no matter where, to ascend to Paradise after 3.5 days. Now we still have the body of Christ, not the flesh one, the actual soul and the soul of Jesus. We have God, and the body that was walking around. The two souls stay combined, but God is in Paradise Himself, so the thief was in Paradise in heaven with God, and it happened that day. The two souls was the ghost Mary and two others met. Not tangible, but common sense says, like all other OT saints, in the same condition. No body of flesh. Flesh cannot enter heaven or Paradise. After the 3.5 days, all ascended to heaven. As explained above. Why go back into sheol? They were headed to Paradise but had to wait 3.5 days. They just kept heading to Paradise, just common sense of what happened on the Cross.

The Atonement happened. Paradise was opened happened. The thief arrived that day in Paradise happened. Paradise was in heaven because no place left in sheol. Paradise was never there, because overthinking Bible verses, does not make a fact. No one could enter Paradise, not even king David. Yep, king David was in Abraham's bosom. Yep, he walked around Jerusalem for 3.5 days. Nope, history does not record hundreds of OT ghost walking around Jerusalem. Did Peter see them? Was Peter out fishing on the Sea of Galilee? If he was out fishing, he probably missed all the ghost, just noticed a bunch of fish being disturbed, if any ghost were headed to land from the sea floor. They probably walked out, not floating to the top and walking on the water. Peter does not mention trying to walk on the water again. Man, left common sense somewhere.

There you have it @robycop3! That’s where the appeal to common sense takes you. Are you sure you want to go down that road?

 

[Derf B]

Don't be silly. You know what the Scripture says. This has gone far enough. One either believes God's word as He caused it to be written, or one doesn't. And apparently, I do & you don't.

I asked a valid question, and you call me silly. I pointed out that you are interpreting beyond what was written, based on additional words in your interpretation, and you claim I’m the one that doesn’t believe what is written.

Maybe your “apparentlies” are not as apparent as you’d like to believe they are. Just like @timtofly, you have a narrative stuck in your brain that is driving your understanding of scripture. It might be the correct narrative, or it might be incorrect. But how will you ever be open to correction (since surely you aren’t saying you have absolutely perfect doctrine, are you?) if you don’t even consider the other viewpoint?

 

[robycop3]

Question, who buried millions of ghost without a physical body? They were resurrected to ascend to heaven. Not to walk back into their graves. Dead people do not die twice in Christ. They were in Christ and ascended to Paradise with Christ.

Hmmm...How about those who were resurrected in Old Testament times? None of them lived 1K years or longer. They simply died again, same as Dorcas, Jairus' daughter, or Lazarus.

 

[robycop3]

I asked a valid question, and you call me silly. I pointed out that you are interpreting beyond what was written, based on additional words in your interpretation, and you claim I’m the one that doesn’t believe what is written.

Maybe your “apparentlies” are not as apparent as you’d like to believe they are. Just like @timtofly, you have a narrative stuck in your brain that is driving your understanding of scripture. It might be the correct narrative, or it might be incorrect. But how will you ever be open to correction (since surely you aren’t saying you have absolutely perfect doctrine, are you?) if you don’t even consider the other viewpoint?

Jesus told the thief he'd be with Jesus in paradise that day. Plain enough? No other interp makes sense. Remember, the Romans made sure all three of them were dead before sunset, at the Jews' request, so their bodies wouldn't be left hanging when their High Sabbath, the first "Holy Congregation" of passover, began, at sunset. Thus, Jesus & the repentant thief went to paradise THAT DAY.

Thus, we know Jesus' spirit went to paradise when He died. And in Acts, the Scripture says Jesus' spirit was not left in hades. Since we know He went to paradise, & he was in hades, then paradise is in hades. That's the only sensible deduction one can make from those Scriptures. YOU are trying to make them say something they don't say, not I. As I said, that silliness has gone far enough.

 

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[timtofly]

Hmmm...How about those who were resurrected in Old Testament times? None of them lived 1K years or longer. They simply died again, same as Dorcas, Jairus' daughter, or Lazarus.

So people who have been dead for a few hours or less than 3 days are in the same shape physically as those bodies consumed by fire or dead for over a thousand years? Now you think a new incorruptible body, can be made corruptible again?

 

[Derf B]

Jesus told the thief he'd be with Jesus in paradise that day. Plain enough? No other interp makes sense. Remember, the Romans made sure all three of them were dead before sunset, at the Jews' request, so their bodies wouldn't be left hanging when their High Sabbath, the first "Holy Congregation" of passover, began, at sunset. Thus, Jesus & the repentant thief went to paradise THAT DAY.

Thus, we know Jesus' spirit went to paradise when He died. And in Acts, the Scripture says Jesus' spirit was not left in hades. Since we know He went to paradise, & he was in hades, then paradise is in hades. That's the only sensible deduction one can make from those Scriptures. YOU are trying to make them say something they don't say, not I. As I said, that silliness has gone far enough.

The other option is that Jesus was actually dead for 3 days. As in no life, no thought , no activity, just dead, and in the grave. That fits the other understanding of “hades”, and allows for David to still be as he was, dead and buried. And it allows for Paradise to be where God is, rather than in heaven. It’s a sensible deduction, as long as you don’t let presuppositions drive your interpretation.

 

[timtofly]

Jesus told the thief he'd be with Jesus in paradise that day. Plain enough? No other interp makes sense. Remember, the Romans made sure all three of them were dead before sunset, at the Jews' request, so their bodies wouldn't be left hanging when their High Sabbath, the first "Holy Congregation" of passover, began, at sunset. Thus, Jesus & the repentant thief went to paradise THAT DAY.

Thus, we know Jesus' spirit went to paradise when He died. And in Acts, the Scripture says Jesus' spirit was not left in hades. Since we know He went to paradise, & he was in hades, then paradise is in hades. That's the only sensible deduction one can make from those Scriptures. YOU are trying to make them say something they don't say, not I. As I said, that silliness has gone far enough.

Jesus Spirit did not go to Paradise. Jesus as God went to Paradise. Jesus was God. The scripture states that God turned His back at that time. Did God leave and actually for a few moments was on the Cross? If God was not found in Heaven, and God told Abraham that He Himself would be the Atonement, then God was there in person, as He promised Abraham. So God was with the thief that day, both on the cross and in heaven in Paradise. That is what all Scriptures claim. God as Jesus died before the thief. God gave up the spirit first. They did not force death by breaking the bones in Jesus' fleshly body. They had to break the bones later to kill the thief. By that time Abraham's bosom no longer existed. The thief was the first NT believer to go to Paradise. It is a matter of timing, in the chapters of the crucifixion itself.

No one could enter the Garden of Eden, now Paradise because it was in heaven, and only the Atonement on the Cross could restore entrance. That is why Abraham's bosom was in sheol, with an abyss between Abraham's bosom and the place of the dead. OT saints were not considered dead. They were asleep in Christ. They were not physically sleeping. Sleep was the term in opposition to death. They were asleep in Christ, because by faith they knew like king David, they would not be left in a corrupted state.

But only the Atonement on the Cross could change that corrupted state. Jesus said, "It is finished." The Atonement was completed. The first coming of Jesus Christ was completed. The Law was fulfilled. The sting of death was taken away. Paradise in heaven was opened. Those in Christ would immediately change from a corrupted body, at death, to an incorruptible body and present with the Lord.

Revelation does not mention a Resurrection prior to the Second Coming. In fact after the battle of Armageddon, is the first resurrection during the 1000 year reign. Their is no general resurrection before the Second Coming. The tribulation of Revelation is the harvest of all souls. A harvest means, upon death, those souls go to either Paradise or sheol. A harvest is not a resurrection.

 

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