Not really. IMHO
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Where was Jesus ?
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Not really. IMHO
When Christ said "It is finished", He didn't really mean it??
Christ's purpose was redemption of His own from the offense and penalty of sin. The offense was all towards a holy God; no obligations were paid in Hell. There is not a single verse that even hints of this.
Did He say that while alive or dead?
The fact that there IS a hell shows that it's part of the penalty.
At the moment of death.
Yer reachin'. He was alive. The point is that your argument is moot. "It is finished" did not mean that He did not have to taste death and all that accompanies it.
John 19:30 "When he had received the drink, Jesus said, "It is finished." With that, he bowed his head and gave up his spirit."
The Lake of fire is part of the penalty too, as is judicial blindness and eternal separation from God. How far in this logic are you going to go?
There is a long proud history behind my sign-off and I thank Mel for it
Mel does.
Well technically as I recall his complaint was that I refused to accept his sarcasm. This as he was trying to get me banned from the site for being a preterist.
Funny Mel's own words didn't seem to taste as good coming back up as they did going down. Never-the-less, I've fully embraced Mel's sarcasm and enjoy it so much I celebrate it with him on every post now. Amen and amen.
"Your understanding of the inspiration of Scripture is utterly astounding!" Mel
Why thank you Mel!
Mel does.
Well technically as I recall his complaint was that I refused to accept his sarcasm. This as he was trying to get me banned from the site for being a preterist.
Funny Mel's own words didn't seem to taste as good coming back up as they did going down. Never-the-less, I've fully embraced Mel's sarcasm and enjoy it so much I celebrate it with him on every post now. Amen and amen.
"Your understanding of the inspiration of Scripture is utterly astounding!" Mel
Why thank you Mel!
Luke 23:43
Jesus answered him, "I tell you the truth, today you will be with me in paradise."
The story of Joseph, as a type of Christ, supports this (imo):
20 And Joseph`s master took him, and put him into the prison, the place where the king`s prisoners were bound: and he was there in the prison.
21 But Jehovah was with Joseph, and showed kindness unto him, and gave him favor in the sight of the keeper of the prison.
22 And the keeper of the prison committed to Joseph`s hand all the prisoners that were in the prison; and whatsoever they did there, he was the doer of it. Gen 39
......and the baker and the butler as types also agrees with the notion of Sheol as a hold for the wicked and the righteous.
21 And he restored the chief butler unto his butlership again; and he gave the cup into Pharaoh`s hand:
22 but he hanged the chief baker: as Joseph had interpreted to them. Gen 40
.....and as Joseph was raised up out of that prison and was elevated in authority to second only to Pharaoh, so did Christ raise from the grave and ascend to sit at the right hand of the Father where He reigns today over His kingdom, and everyone must come to Him for their spiritual food.
41 And Pharaoh said unto Joseph, See, I have set thee over all the land of Egypt.
57 And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph to buy grain, because the famine was sore in all the earth. Gen 40
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I go as far as the truth.
The wages of sin is death.
Define death, and you will know what it is that Christ tasted. If physical death is all it is, then every sinner who has died has paid his own wages in full, and hell is merely unjust sadism on the part of God.
Honestly, you must have a very, very small view of your sin, and of the Sacrifice required to pay its price.
The answer is right in front of me, Aaron. And in front of you. The Bible has much to say about Christ's payment for sin at Calvary. It uses various terms - each one pinpointing not only the the place but the time.
For some reason (which is beyond me) you have this need to have these mysterious things happen in Hell.
Well, have fun with it. I'm moving on to real topics.
Now in the place where he was crucified there was a garden; and in the garden a new sepulchre, wherein was never man yet laid.
Who was laid in this sepulchre? Who not what.
There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Who was raised up from this sepulchre? Once again who.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Now assuming that Jesus is the Christ, Where was Jesus for three days and three nights?
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
The wages for sin is death, so what took place above was the payment for the sins of the world. If he had not been raised from the dead he would be just like David he would be both dead and buried. But.
The gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. How?
But God raised him from the dead: Acts 13:30 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]. John 2:21 1st part For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26
Who was laid in this sepulchre? Who not what.
There laid they Jesus therefore because of the Jews' preparation [day]; for the sepulchre was nigh at hand.
Who was raised up from this sepulchre? Once again who.
This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Now assuming that Jesus is the Christ, Where was Jesus for three days and three nights?
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.
The wages for sin is death, so what took place above was the payment for the sins of the world. If he had not been raised from the dead he would be just like David he would be both dead and buried. But.
The gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. How?
But God raised him from the dead: Acts 13:30 For as the Father raiseth up the dead, and quickeneth [them]. John 2:21 1st part For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself; John 5:26
Scripture is silent?
an ark being preparing -- in which few, that is, eight souls,(Noah, Shem, Ham and Japheth and their wives) were saved through water;
Where were the eight souls four named and four unnamed during the flood?
He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. This Jesus hath God raised up, whereof we all are witnesses.
Where was Jesus?
The real question is what does not left in hades mean. I think if David had meant Abraham's bosom or Paradise he would have said so, but because he said hades which is the same as the rich man in Luke 16 and that dosen't fit our theology then we have to say well maybe hades has more than one compartment. Where can you find dead people (souls)? In water (the sea),
maybe burnt up or covered in snow or ice or like those lost on Columbia (death) or in graves (hades) ? And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them
You be the judge.
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Scripture is pretty clear on where Jesus went.
John 13:36 - Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Did Peter end up in hell or in some half-way house for OT saints? No. He went to heaven when he died, just like Jesus did.
John 16:5 - But now I go my way to him that sent me
John 16:16 - A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
It's pretty plain. When Jesus died He went back to the Father who had sent Him.
John 13:36 - Simon Peter saith unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.
Did Peter end up in hell or in some half-way house for OT saints? No. He went to heaven when he died, just like Jesus did.
John 16:5 - But now I go my way to him that sent me
John 16:16 - A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me, because I go to the Father.
It's pretty plain. When Jesus died He went back to the Father who had sent Him.