Whites Must Confront Reality

[Zaac]

I am not the one talking about evil white folks. I don't talk about evil black folks except those like Al Sharpton!

Always got an exception for what you do , huh?

 

[Zaac]

You only look for evil in those not in your clique. You don't fool me.

I don't have a clique, and that's for sure. And I would never play Jedi mind tricks on the paranoid.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Sure you do. You wink at plenty of evil around here.

 

[annsni]

Zaac - Are you a young black man?

 

[Revmitchell]

Zaac - Are you a young black man?

Its been asked he will not answer.

 

[annsni]

Its been asked he will not answer.

Then I will assume that the answer is "yes".

 

[OldRegular]

The best thing to do with Zaac is ignore him!

 

[Zaac]

Sure you do. You wink at plenty of evil around here.

If you say so.

 

[Zaac]

The best thing to do with Zaac is ignore him!

But some kind of way , you keep ending up in my threads. You aren't worried about ignoring anyone. You just want to push your Democrat Party is the party of death and they are slaughtering babies mumbo jumbo so that your political party of choice can prosper.

Too much wickedness in that co-party of death. It will not prosper as the blocks of wickedness in this country are getting ready to tumble.

 

[Zaac]

Then I will assume that the answer is "yes".

Ann people online have been assuming things about me for a long time. White privilege often assumes that people are a certain profile when it is challenged. I've never mentioned my age, skin color, marital status, number of kids, etc because as I look at conversations, I've noticed that displays of such information allows for certain biases and formation of cliques to develop.

I am about God's truth and treating my neighbor the way that I want to be treated out of the overflow of my love for Christ.

Now you've got to wonder why folks want to pigeonhole me as this or that. :laugh:

 

[annsni]

Well, it seems you are very angry about the past history of black people and I don't blame you whether you are black or white or yellow or red. It is a disgusting blight on our country's history and it saddens me. But as I said, we move forward. I have never judged people by their skin color and when I was once asked how many black friends I have, I actually had to think hard about it because that's not even a category I think of!! Dwelling too much in the past is just as harmful as those things were when they happened and we need to see that past for what it was and move forward.

 

[Revmitchell]

Then I will assume that the answer is "yes".

That has been mine.

 

[Zaac]

Well, it seems you are very angry about the past history of black people and I don't blame you whether you are black or white or yellow or red. It is a disgusting blight on our country's history and it saddens me.

Ann, I am, as I believe a lot of folks are, righteously angry at the wickedness coming out of the church. We can't do anything to change the hearts of the people outside the church other than to point them to Jesus. But when the folks who are supposed to have the regenerate hearts are spewing the same gutter filth as those who are lost and have an excuse, it disgusts me.

But as I said, we move forward.

It is impossible to move this country forward until this country deals with what it's done in the past. And I'm not talking about those outside the church, but those within.

It's a fact, that no matter how White Americans try to deny it, that White Americans benefited from and are still benefiting from slavery and Jim Crow. It's a fact that being white in this country has certain advantages over being non-white.

And until white people...white CHRISTIANS are ready to admit this, this country isn't moving anywhere.

It was George Bush in 2004 who said as he visited Goree Island, a holding place for captured slaves in Africa, and spoke of the wrongs and injustices of slavery.

"Small men," he said, "took on the powers and airs of tyrants and masters. Years of unpunished brutality and bullying and rape produced a dullness and hardness of conscience. Christian men and women became blind to the clearest commands of their faith and added hypocrisy to injustice.

I have never judged people by their skin color and when I was once asked how many black friends I have, I actually had to think hard about it because that's not even a category I think of!!

Maybe you should.

A new study from the Public Religion Research Institute has found that despite the fact that terrible white people continue to deploy the phrase "I have a ton of black friends!" to justify casual racism, it's not actually true for three quarters of white Americans. Go figure!

The study, published by the Washington Post, found that for every 91 white friends a white American has, they have only one black friend, one Asian friend, one Latino friend, one mixed-race friend, and three friends of unknown race. Comparatively, the average black American has 8 white friends for every 83 black friends. As the Post writes:

To put it another way: Blacks have ten times as many black friends as white friends. But white Americans have an astonishing 91 times as manywhite friends as black friends.

The study also found that 75 percent of whites have "entirely white social networks without any minority presence." This is apparently up from last year's data collected in a poll by Reuters, which put that number at around 40 percent. 2014 is shaping up to be a great year, isn't it?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/08/race-friendship-study.html

Dwelling too much in the past is just as harmful as those things were when they happened and we need to see that past for what it was and move forward.

You know why we study the Old Testament? Because it's God's word showing us truth in the context of our past.

I have yet to hear a white person complain about any school teaching American History. Does that not dwell on the past?

As I've said before, white privilege does not want to deal with the dirty truth. At the mere mention of an apology, white privilege causes people to recoil and insist that they don't owe an apology for something they didn't do.

It would do this nation a world of good if Congress issued a joint resolution decrying slavery and its aftermath and the continued effects it had and continues to have on the lives of so many.

But that's political. I don't expect that because that would bring out the "Neither we nor our ancestors had anything to do with slavery, so why should we apologize?" crew.

It's been evidenced on this board.

Anytime the House or the SBC specifically has attempted to apologize, the same "I didn't own any slaves" rhetoric that the unsaved dish out shows its head on this board.

By white Christians turning a blind eye, the sins of the father become the sins of the passive son. By refusing to acknowledge the benefits that slavery has delivered to Whites today, it affirms the wickedness of the forefathers who did those things.

 

[Darrell C]

But Blacks and Whites with good sense have declared it open season on the wickedness of racially prejudiced and racist old white men who think we are going to sit idly by and allow them for a third time to perpetuate this wickedness.

You do realize that you are the only one stirring up racism, right? The only one that might be viewed as...a racist.

Are you black or white, Zaac?

God bless.

 

[OldRegular]

You do realize that you are the only one stirring up racism, right? The only one that might be viewed as...a racist.

Are you black or white, Zaac?

God bless.

Whatever he is he is a race hustler, just like Al Sharpton! He spouts a lot of pious rhetoric but his hatred of white people is obvious! Of course Al Sharpton doesn't go pious. He is just full of hate!

 

[Darrell C]

Whatever he is he is a race hustler, just like Al Sharpton! He spouts a lot of pious rhetoric but his hatred of white people is obvious! Of course Al Sharpton doesn't go pious. He is just full of hate!

Agreed. What is sad is that he tries to tie Christianity to it, even while at the same time...criticizing the Church.

A verse for consideration:


Acts 9:4

King James Version (KJV)

4 And he fell to the earth, and heard a voice saying unto him, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?


Men should tread lightly when presuming to judge the Body of Christ.


God bless.

 

[annsni]

Ann, I am, as I believe a lot of folks are, righteously angry at the wickedness coming out of the church. We can't do anything to change the hearts of the people outside the church other than to point them to Jesus. But when the folks who are supposed to have the regenerate hearts are spewing the same gutter filth as those who are lost and have an excuse, it disgusts me.

See, I can safely say that I don't see this in our church at all - and that's the only influence I feel we REALLY have (our own church). I don't see any issues with any of the races that come to our church and I don't see anyone being held back because of skin color (or weight or gender or anything, for that matter).

It is impossible to move this country forward until this country deals with what it's done in the past. And I'm not talking about those outside the church, but those within.

How do you suggest we "deal" with it? We know history. We know the wrongs done and we make sure that they are not currently happening in our church. So what else do you suggest we do?

t's a fact, that no matter how White Americans try to deny it, that White Americans benefited from and are still benefiting from slavery and Jim Crow. It's a fact that being white in this country has certain advantages over being non-white.

I believe black Americans are benefitting from "reparations" although I do believe that there is generational harm that needs to be overcome but that is internal, not external.

And until white people...white CHRISTIANS are ready to admit this, this country isn't moving anywhere.

Why must they admit it to move forward? Yes, the history of the US with regards to slavery was wrong but while it was primarily whites who owned slaves, blacks and Native Americans owned slaves as well. Why don't they admit their wrong too?

It was George Bush in 2004 who said as he visited Goree Island, a holding place for captured slaves in Africa, and spoke of the wrongs and injustices of slavery.

I believe most of us know of the wrongs and injustices of slavery and condemn it. What else do you suggest be done?

Maybe you should.

Why? To purpetuate stereotypes? To continue a "separation" between people? No matter what a person's color is, they are just like me. A person. That's all I see.

You know why we study the Old Testament? Because it's God's word showing us truth in the context of our past.

Yet are we still looking to make reparations and beat our breast over what happened in the Old Testament?

I have yet to hear a white person complain about any school teaching American History. Does that not dwell on the past?

It's not "dwelling". There's a difference between study for a time and obsession.

As I've said before, white privilege does not want to deal with the dirty truth. At the mere mention of an apology, white privilege causes people to recoil and insist that they don't owe an apology for something they didn't do.

Because maybe *I* have nothing to apologize for. Why must every generation until Christ returns apologize for the sins of their forefathers?

It would do this nation a world of good if Congress issued a joint resolution decrying slavery and its aftermath and the continued effects it had and continues to have on the lives of so many.

Would that satisfy you? While it is not joint, both the House and Senate issued apologies that were passed.

House: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/110/hres194/text
Senate: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/111/sconres26/text

But that's political. I don't expect that because that would bring out the "Neither we nor our ancestors had anything to do with slavery, so why should we apologize?" crew.

It's been evidenced on this board.

So you do apologize for the wrongs of slavery? If you are white, you are at fault. If you are black, you are at fault as well. If you are African, you are at fault. If you are English, you are at fault. If you are American, you are at fault. Have we seen an apology from you?

Anytime the House or the SBC specifically has attempted to apologize, the same "I didn't own any slaves" rhetoric that the unsaved dish out shows its head on this board.

Maybe it's because it's the truth.

By white Christians turning a blind eye, the sins of the father become the sins of the passive son. By refusing to acknowledge the benefits that slavery has delivered to Whites today, it affirms the wickedness of the forefathers who did those things.

The results of slavery have also given benefits to blacks as well. Affirmative action is just one example. Quotas - the fact that a friend got into an Ivy League school when he had lower grades than an Asian student but since he was black, he got in (and he told me that as a fact) - that is a benefit, is it not? Maybe I need to get him to apologize for his heritage and skin color?

 

[Jedi Knight]

The Administrators of this Baptist Board are not doing their job! This thread should be closed and deleted! Discussing racial problems is proper and might be helpful but a false diatribe like that of Zaac is destructive both to racial harmony and to this Forum!

Amen to that! Hope some discernment prevails!

 

[Jedi Knight]

It was black men in Africa who helped capture Black men to sell as slaves.
There were black men who owned slaves.

The problem isn't white or black never has been. The problem is the old Sin Nature in the human race always has been always will be. The only way it stops is to bring all men to salvation. that is the reality of it all.

Another discerning soul!

 

[Zaac]

You do realize that you are the only one stirring up racism, right? The only one that might be viewed as...a racist.

Are you black or white, Zaac?

God bless.

Sure Darrel. I always stir up unGodliness by pointing it out for what it is.

Yes I'm black or white.