Whitewash: New Texas history books will downplay slavery, omit KKK and Jim Crow

[Revmitchell]

This entire issue over the CBF is disingenuous. It only came up on the tail of the recent shooting. Before that almost no one said anything about it. The whole issue only serves to raise emotions and grow the hate within the racebaiters.

 

[carpro]

Man please. The KKK and other white supremacist groups are all over Texas. All it takes is a keyboard to see that.

Wrong, Jr. But I didn't expect you to acknowledge the truth. Doesn't fit a trolls agenda.

 

[Zaac]

Wrong, Jr. But I didn't expect you to acknowledge the truth. Doesn't fit a trolls agenda.

Oh it's correct. But folks who lie and display no honor wouldn't think so. Ask the FBI.[emoji12]

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[carpro]

But folks who lie and display no honor wouldn't think so. Ask the FBI.[emoji12]

You're not lying this time. I know you believe yourself.

Just displaying your agenda driven ignorance.

Poor little white kid railing against the privilege you were born into. :laugh:

Pathetic,

Your turn, T.

 

[Zaac]

You're not lying this time. I know you believe yourself.

Just displaying your agenda driven ignorance.

Poor little white kid railing against the privilege you were born into. [emoji23]

Pathetic,

Your turn, troll.

I believe the FBI over you. [emoji3]

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[carpro]

I believe the FBI over you.

Ignorance is bliss, so they say. :wavey:

 

[Zaac]

Ignorance is bliss, so they say. :wavey:

The ignorant would think ignorance to be bliss[emoji38]

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[Crabtownboy]

This entire issue over the CBF is disingenuous. It only came up on the tail of the recent shooting. Before that almost no one said anything about it. The whole issue only serves to raise emotions and grow the hate within the racebaiters.

As you like to say, "Prove it."

 

[Revmitchell]

As you like to say, "Prove it."

This thread proves it.

 

[Crabtownboy]

This thread proves it.

I am sure you believe this ... but as usual you are wrong. Nothing has been proven by this thread other than than there is disagreement over the flag. Are you familiar with the anti-flag statement by a Southern group that is very interested in preserving the heritage of the South? The statement was adopted a number of years ago. No, I won't do your work for you. But you are, as I said, once again wrong.

 

[Zaac]

This entire issue over the CBF is disingenuous. It only came up on the tail of the recent shooting. Before that almost no one said anything about it. .

They perhaps haven't said anything on FOX News or the other media outlets you frequent. But Black people have been addressing that South Carolina flag since the 1990s.

The whole issue only serves to raise emotions and grow the hate within the racebaiters.

It seems to have raise emotions and grown the hate of the white race evaders too.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

six Hour Warning

Sometime after 10pm Pacific this thread will be closed.

 

[Lewis]

It symbolizes today the same thing it did when Southerners started flying it in opposition to integration.

The flag in SC went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May. It was moved from Capital Dome to a nearby Confederate memorial as a compromise.

What it symbolized doesn't change just because some folks don't know or accept the history.

Civil rights leader and former Atlanta Andrew Young said recently -
"The problems we face don't have anything to do with the flag."

"The flag is a symbol that means a lot of things to a lot of people... The challenge for us is not to wipe out our past history but to learn to live together in the future."

 

[Zaac]

The flag in SC went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May. It was moved from Capital Dome to a nearby Confederate memorial as a compromise.

The flag, like the one in Georgia, was put up in opposition to integration.

Civil rights leader and former Atlanta Andrew Young said recently -
"The problems we face don't have anything to do with the flag."

"The flag is a symbol that means a lot of things to a lot of people... The challenge for us is not to wipe out our past history but to learn to live together in the future."

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(CNN)

When Jenny Horne stepped up to the podium to address South Carolina's House of Representatives, her first words let on that she was fed up. Just not how fed up.

Of the words stirred by passion in the debate that eventually led lawmakers to vote to remove the Confederate battle flag from the State House grounds, hers would burn themselves into memory.

Horne started out with a calm complaint.

"We are going to be doing this all summer long," she said after stepping up to the microphone, referring to a stream of amendments that the flag's supporters were adding to the bill and effectively delaying a vote.

'Enough about heritage'

She was referring to the tragedy that had brought lawmakers to this debate: the June 17 killings, allegedly by a white shooter, of nine black members of a Bible study at a Charleston church, including the pastor, state Sen. Clementa Pinckney.

Horne, who attended Pinckney's funeral, wanted the flag down badly, believing it to be a symbol of hate and racism.

But before her speech, she listened as a handful of the flag's supporters introduced one amendment after another.

They introduced nit-picking stipulations: Add a new flagpole; dig up flower beds; get budget approval from a museum first; wait a year, then hold a referendum; just go home and think it over some more.

They threatened to create new committee meetings and new legislative sessions to deal with them. If that happened, the flag would keep flapping -- for weeks, months, maybe longer.

By the time Horne got up to speak, fresh grief was simmering under her skin.

She told her colleagues that the suspected shooter, allegedly motivated by racism, had revered the flag for all the wrong reasons and that she was sick of arguments that have kept it aloft for decades.

"I'm sorry, I have heard enough about heritage," she said.

The heritage of the Confederacy is personal for Horne, 42. She says she is a descendant of Jefferson Davis, the Confederate president. But the flag, she said, had to go.

"Remove this flag and do it today. Because this issue is not getting any better with age."

She walked away from the podium and into bear hugs from her African-American colleagues.

In the State House, the proposed amendments kept on coming, but lawmakers kept voting them down.

Finally, early Thursday, the House voted 94-20 to pass the bill to remove the flag.

Horne tweeted out her joy. "It wasn't easy. It wasn't without emotion. But I'm so proud of my colleagues for doing the right thing. The Confederate flag is coming down."

 

[Lewis]

The flag, like the one in Georgia, was put up in opposition to integration.

That is your interpretation.

Daniel Hollis, a member of the commission responsible for planning South Carolina’s Confederate War Centennial, recalled the exact day the flag was first hoisted during an interview published in 1999.
Hollis said the flag itself went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial "at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May."

 

[Crabtownboy]

That is your interpretation.

Daniel Hollis, a member of the commission responsible for planning South Carolina’s Confederate War Centennial, recalled the exact day the flag was first hoisted during an interview published in 1999.
Hollis said the flag itself went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial "at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May."

Not everyone agrees with you. Maybe you are too young to remember those days and the violence and hatred exhibited in the South during the early days of integration.

"Do you know when that flag was first flown at the Columbia statehouse in Columbia?" he asked during an interview on Meet the Press June 21. "1961 … it was a middle finger directed at the federal government. It was flown there as a symbol of massive resistance to racial desegregation. Period."

"It was only after Brown vs. Board, after Little Rock, after desegregation began, that South Carolinians put up the flag on the statehouse, that other states in the South adopted the battle flag as part of their state flags," Robinson said. "So it was massive resistance."

http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...erate-flag-wasnt-flown-south-carolina-state-/

Also you did not mention that Hollis was against the idea, but kept quiet.

"May told us he was going to introduce a resolution to fly the flag for a year from the capitol. I was against the flag going up," Hollis said, "but I kept quiet and went along."

[same url as 1st quote]

Did they also fly a civil war era "Old Glory" that day?

 

[JonC]

Maybe you are too young to remember those days and the violence and hatred exhibited in the South during the early days of integration.

That is a good point. Most Americans are too young to remember those days. Most southerners are not products of the hatred many would ascribe to them. They grew upon "Dukes of Hazard" and never actually witnessed the racism of the KKK or Black Panthers). For some, the current movement to remove "Southern images" is the only racism that they have personally experienced. On the other hand, many opposed to the flag (not all) never experienced the hatred and racism of their fathers/grandfather's day, but their heritage has done a better job of preserving it for their children. The difference is that often they live in a self-inflicted victimhood out of perceived racism that faded long ago. You bring up an excellent point. Of course there are still racists out there, on both sides of the issue. But most Americans have not experienced those days, and much of what we see today are projections of a a faded past cast upon our nation by those who either cannot let go of experienced hatred or cling to hatred passed down by their fathers as if it were some prized inheritance.

 

[Zaac]

That is your interpretation.

Daniel Hollis, a member of the commission responsible for planning South Carolina’s Confederate War Centennial, recalled the exact day the flag was first hoisted during an interview published in 1999.
Hollis said the flag itself went up on April 11, 1961, for the opening of the Civil War centennial "at the request of Aiken Rep. John A. May."

That's the interpretation of a lot of folks. As it is NOT the flag of the Confederate States and had been adopted by the Dixiecrats and the KKK and white supremacists in opposition to integration, honest people know why the flag was raised.

Otherwise, they could have put up the equally treasonous REAL Confederate Flag to commemorate a war that they lost.

 

[Zaac]

That is a good point. Most Americans are too young to remember those days. Most southerners are not products of the hatred many would ascribe to them. They grew upon "Dukes of Hazard" and never actually witnessed the racism of the KKK or Black Panthers). For some, the current movement to remove "Southern images" is the only racism that they have personally experienced. On the other hand, many opposed to the flag (not all) never experienced the hatred and racism of their fathers/grandfather's day, but their heritage has done a better job of preserving it for their children. The difference is that often they live in a self-inflicted victimhood out of perceived racism that faded long ago.

And right here is where you went off track. It hasn't faded. No matter how much folks in the United States want to say it's faded, it hasn't. It's changed its form.

DO you really think that the media would treat black criminals significantly differently from white criminals and, as a result, causes significant racial biases if it had faded?

Although there are no studies that prove a disparity between the amount of white drug users and black drug users, people of color are five times more likely to be incarcerated for drug possession. In addition, 88% of stop and frisks conducted in New York City are done on its black residents.

Racism in this country hides behind politics where it used to be in your face.

Do you recall the deathbed confessions from the former chairman of the Republican National Committee, Lee Atwater? In Atwater’s confession, he reportedly admitted the GOP used certain code words to gain white votes by playing off of their fears of Black people. Racism continues to be conditioned into the minds of the culture.

You don't have a culture where the lives of black people are continuously marginalized and undervalued and think that racism has really faded. It hasn't.

You bring up an excellent point. Of course there are still racists out there, on both sides of the issue. But most Americans have not experienced those days, and much of what we see today are projections of a a faded past cast upon our nation by those who either cannot let go of experienced hatred or cling to hatred passed down by their fathers as if it were some prized inheritance.

You're out of touch with the reality of a large majority of black people. When Blacks are systemically being murdered, institutionalized and arrested for the same things that their white counterparts are given a pat on the hand for, nothing has faded.

When parents have to be scared out of their minds just like they were on plantations and in their homes during Jim Crow because they could never have a peace about whether or not their black child is gonna return home safely, it hasn't faded.

In the words of James Baldwin:

…this is the crime of which I accuse my country and my countrymen and for which neither I nor time nor history will ever forgive them, that they have destroyed and are destroying hundreds of thousands of lives and do not know it and do not want to know it…but it is not permissible that the authors of devastation should also be innocent. It is the innocence which constitutes the crime

Racism hasn't faded in this country any more than we are a post racial America.

 

[JonC]

Racism hasn't faded in this country any more than we are a post racial America.

You are right that there are people who remain racists (and to the same degree as in the past). But as a whole, your stereotype is representative of the nation only to a racist mind (on both sides of the issue). People who do not see this diminish what those who were persecuted for their race went through and they carry forward racial presuppositions into areas where they truly don't belong.