Whitewash: New Texas history books will downplay slavery, omit KKK and Jim Crow

[777]

Don't like troll lectures.

Having grown up in northern NJ and moved to NNE in 1973, I can recall a LOT more racially inflammatory comments in NNJ than after our move. Maybe it's the difference between the 50s-60s and more recent decades, but I question the validity of the boldfaced comment - not that racism is absent in New England, but that it's "especially rampant."

Oh, didn't mean to offend anybody from New England here but that is what I've heard before from people who had lived in both places. I think it's a leftover from the busing thing in Boston.

All of that - the KKK, the role of slavery and Jim Crow laws should all be taught because, as disturbing as those things were, they were events in the past that helped to shape the present. Germany erased all of the Nazi regime out of their history books - it's like if they pretend it didn't happen, it didn't happen. But it happened.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I remember learning about Christopher Columbus in school growing up and it was kind of odd how the story stopped upon reaching North America. There was no "rest of the story" of his horrific reign as Governor or viceroy of the Indies. He was actually relieved by the Queen due to incompetence and brutality. His replacement was tasked with investigating him. The stuff he uncovered was the stuff out of a horror movies. I don't think American text books always do a great job of completing the narrative.

Keep in mind that while Portugal financed that mission Columbus basically was a Catholic apologist and he was sent on their behalf.

No doubt he had some issues.

 

[Use of Time]

Keep in mind that while Portugal financed that mission Columbus basically was a Catholic apologist and he was sent on their behalf.

No doubt he had some issues.

Oh no doubt. I kind of don't blame the textbooks all that much. I mean I certainly don't need my kids reading in total detail about some of his antics but at the very least they could have qualified his accomplishments as an explorer while acknowledging his inept leadership as a Governor.

 

[InTheLight]

Have you any first hand experience with these books ? I trust you to give a balanced view.

I have no personal experience with Texas school textbooks. The source for the story is the Washington Post. I presume it's accurate.

 

[carpro]

Lessons covering the Civil War will list the reasons behind the conflict as being, “sectionalism, states’ rights and slavery,” in that order.

Correct. Even Abraham Lincoln agreed.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I have no personal experience with Texas school textbooks. The source for the story is the Washington Post. I presume it's accurate.

Ok. I will wait for actual quotes from the curriculum. Not saying it didn't happen but I can't jump on a bandwagon without some concrete stuff.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

And if the author of the O/P wasn't so ready to remove so many symbols of the Confederacy, and erase those memories, I would take this more seriously.

 

[Crabtownboy]

And if the author of the O/P wasn't so ready to remove so many symbols of the Confederacy, and erase those memories, I would take this more seriously.

Remembering is quite different from displaying symbols and the modern message those symbols. The original meaning of the Confederate flag had nothing to do with what it signifies now. We must always remember so we do not make the mistakes of the past. We do not need to display symbols that carry a negative message.

Why don't you fly the British flag so you can remember the decades people of this country were citizens of England? That is part of your heritage also.

 

[Revmitchell]

Remembering is quite different from displaying symbols and the modern message those symbols. The original meaning of the Confederate flag had nothing to do with what it signifies now. We must always remember so we do not make the mistakes of the past. We do not need to display symbols that carry a negative message.

Why don't you fly the British flag so you can remember the decades people of this country were citizens of England? That is part of your heritage also.

Negative to whom? It seems the only people it is considered negative to are those who are just looking to be offended. Most Americans do not see it nor understand it as so.


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[Crabtownboy]

Negative to whom? It seems the only people it is considered negative to are those who are just looking to be offended. Most Americans do not see it nor understand it as so.


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Rev. ask any African-American. I bet you will find that 99.9% will say it is offensive. It would seem that the only ones who defend the flag are those that do not want to remember the past and so they keep their blinders on.

And, why that particular flag?It was a battle flat. It was never the national flag of the Confederacy. There were several national flags of the Confederacy, but none was the one we are talking about. That one was the battle flag of the Army of Northern Virginia.

Rev. as you are from Florida, why don't you fly the Spanish flag. That is part of the heritage of Florida.

 

[Revmitchell]

Rev. ask any African-American. I bet you will find that 99.9% will say it is offensive.



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Prove it......


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[carpro]

Rev. ask any African-American. I bet you will find that 99.9% will say it is offensive.

You'd lose your bet.

Most of them don't care one way or the other.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

You'd lose your bet.

Most of them don't care one way or the other.

Personal story...

About 20 years ago while working out at Gold's Gym, I was wearing a T-shirt with Confederate Battle Flag on the back with caption that stated: "It's a Southern thing, ya'll wouldn't understand". I noticed in the mirror towards the end of my work out that a black gentleman was reading the back of my shirt. (Keep in mind this was during the time when Georgia was debating about whether to change it's state flag which had the CBF predominately featured as part of it*). The man said: "You know? I really don't know what all the fuss is about. It's just a flag that represents the South". I told him I certainly agreed. :thumbs:

(*note: Georgia did change the flag, first to a quite ugly design that lasted just 1-2 years, and then to what was basically the 'Stars and Bars' with the Georgia state seal in the midst of the stars )

 

[Zaac]

You'd lose your bet.

Most of them don't care one way or the other.

Rod, is that you?

 

[Zaac]

Personal story...

About 20 years ago while working out at Gold's Gym, I was wearing a T-shirt with Confederate Battle Flag on the back with caption that stated: "It's a Southern thing, ya'll wouldn't understand". I noticed in the mirror towards the end of my work out that a black gentleman was reading the back of my shirt. (Keep in mind this was during the time when Georgia was debating about whether to change it's state flag which had the CBF predominately featured as part of it*). The man said: "You know? I really don't know what all the fuss is about. It's just a flag that represents the South". I told him I certainly agreed. :thumbs:

(*note: Georgia did change the flag, first to a quite ugly design that lasted just 1-2 years, and then to what was basically the 'Stars and Bars' with the Georgia state seal in the midst of the stars )

Yes it represents the racist attitudes of the South.:thumbsup:

You can listen to the black man who tells you what you want to hear, but the ones who say the opposite are crazy or something.

 

[Crabtownboy]

Prove it......


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ROFL ... so you are afraid to ask.

Well old buddy, I have ask a number of African-American friends and so far it is 100% who find it offensive.

Now, I challenge you, ask some African-Americans in your part of New Mexico and let me know your findings.

To a large majority of Africa-Americans is it like flying a flag with the swastika in Israel.

 

[Zaac]

ROFL ... so you are afraid to ask.

Well old buddy, I have ask a number of African-American friends and so far it is 100% who find it offensive.

Now, I challenge you, ask some African-Americans in your part of New Mexico and let me know your findings.

To a large majority of Africa-Americans is it like flying a flag with the swastika in Israel.

:thumbsup: Yet Carpro has the audacity to say that most of them don't care one way or the other. SMH.

I guess that's the impression that some white folks want to have in their "post racial" America.

 

[Doubting Thomas]

Yes it represents the racist attitudes of the South.:thumbsup:

You can listen to the black man who tells you what you want to hear, but the ones who say the opposite are crazy or something.

Nope, he didn't seen anything inherently racist in the flag, and he was perfectly sane. (Sorry, if that doesn't fit your race-baiting narrative :smilewinkgrin: )

 

[Revmitchell]

ROFL ... so you are afraid to ask.

Well old buddy, I have ask a number of African-American friends and so far it is 100% who find it offensive.

Now, I challenge you, ask some African-Americans in your part of New Mexico and let me know your findings.

To a large majority of Africa-Americans is it like flying a flag with the swastika in Israel.

You gave an exact percentage. It seems you cannot back that up. Maybe its best that you not make such false claims.

 

[JonC]

And, why that particular flag?It was a battle flat. It was never the national flag of the Confederacy. ]

The problem is that for most people who have those flags in the south, the flag does not represent the Confederacy. For most people who have those flags in the south, the flag does not represent racism. The animosity comes in when they are expected to remove symbols based on another's interpretation.


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