Doubting Thomas
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And it should be for BLACK people as well, since black folks are being killed much more by other blacks than by cops/white folks.
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Whitewash: New Texas history books will downplay slavery, omit KKK and Jim Crow
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And it should be for BLACK people as well, since black folks are being killed much more by other blacks than by cops/white folks.
Having grown up in northern NJ and moved to NNE in 1973, I can recall a LOT more racially inflammatory comments in NNJ than after our move. Maybe it's the difference between the 50s-60s and more recent decades, but I question the validity of the boldfaced comment - not that racism is absent in New England, but that it's "especially rampant."
Here is a breakdown of the population in Texas in 1860;
Free -- 421649 Slaves -- 182566 Total -- Total 604,215
So .3021% of the total population were slaves. That is 40+% of the white population.
And some say that slavery was not an important part of the society, culture and economy of Texas at that time? Really?
Source: http://www.civilwarhome.com/population1860.htm
Free -- 421649 Slaves -- 182566 Total -- Total 604,215
So .3021% of the total population were slaves. That is 40+% of the white population.
And some say that slavery was not an important part of the society, culture and economy of Texas at that time? Really?
Source: http://www.civilwarhome.com/population1860.htm
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So stop with the deflection.
White people tend to throw out the "much more contemporary pressing issue" line because they don't want to take responsibility for anything but always spouting off about "personal responsibility".
You mean we shouldn't "deflect" from your narrative of KKK, Slavery, Lynching, Poll Taxes, Jim Crow laws? None of which are relevant today. So the ground rules are that we shouldn't talk about how things are now? The clock didn't stop in 1968.
The OP is about changing the history books to downplay, to indicate if you will, that these subjects were not of much importance in the first half of the 19th century in Texas and the South.
Excuse me, are you a moderator?
We are lectured on our national sins continually. It is helpful to contrast that with the reality we face today.
Why not simply discuss the OP?
The reality today is that African-Americans are still discriminated against, but in more subtle ways. Also racists have become more sophisticated in their choice of words, but it is still there and can be read between the lines.
As I told Rev. to really find out go to your doctor, have him prescribe medications for you that will turn your skin dark and then spend 6 months to a year traveling around. Then tell us of your experiences. It would be most interesting.
Zaac
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Who said it wasn't? That just seems to be the narrative that white folks and the talking heads at FOX keep pushing. The black community talks about the violence in their communities all the time
Did you hear about the group of mothers in pink shirts policing the streets of Black communities in Chicago? Are you aware of any of the things that the folks in black communities ARE doing that don't get publicized by the race pimps Hannity and Limbaugh
It's JUST contemporary for you and white folks apparently. Black folks have been talking and doing for years on this very subject.
In case you haven't noticed, most folks an walk and chew gum at the same time.. So they can be doing about Blacks killing Blacks AND white cops killing Blacks.
How is the white community dealing with all the White on White crime?
Zaac
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Pure stupidity and spoken from the lens of being white and blind in America. You're absolutely clueless if you think the KKK, slavery, lynching and Jim Crow aren't relevant today.
It may not be relevant to you and racially prejudiced and racist white people, but it's relevant to Blacks and any people who realize the effect these things have had and continue to have on this country.
Your attitude expresses the sentiment of the OP. You think because you and yours don't think it relevant today, that the history that shows the truth of slavery in this country should be downplayed.
Zaac
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And here again is the prevailing sentiment amongst a lot of white folks on the right. You think no one else's reality matters.
Well hooie. I think the reality that inner city Blacks face is a major problem. I do not think White racism is the cause of those problems. It is easy to point out the wrongs of slavery, KKK and Jim Crow laws. Anyone can do that. Not so easy to speak intelligently about solutions to current problems facing African Americans.
Zaac
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Naah. You think that what YOU THINK is their reality matters as you continue to ignore and dismiss their ACTUAL reality.
If you spent some time listening, you'd know that no one has said it to be the LONE cause of the problems in the Black communities. But it's definitely a contributing factor.
It's also real easy to dismiss those things and pretend that white America knows the problems facing Blacks better than they do.
It is also easy to pretend all black Americans or even most believe as you do.
Actually you don't know anything about my interactions with Blacks, how many I've known, served with, or how many may be in my family.
You just don't know. But the thing is that almost everyone wants Blacks to be successful productive citizens. Practically no one wants to see them fail, be involved in gangs or crime. That is common ground.
Zaac
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Sure I do. Because if you actually had any real interactions with Blacks they would have corrected your perception about THEIR reality and you wouldn't be saying what you are.
Unfortunately, that isn't the case. Actions speak louder than words.
The issue is rewriting the history books, not speaking about the current problems facing blacks.
Do you think Texas public schools textbooks should minimize the role of the KKK, Jim Crow laws, and slavery when discussing the history of the 19th century?
There's your racism coming out. Blacks do not march in lock step. And no name calling or other histrionics with not change that fact. Give it a rest.
All we see is words from you.
Have you any first hand experience with these books ? I trust you to give a balanced view.
I remember learning about Christopher Columbus in school growing up and it was kind of odd how the story stopped upon reaching North America. There was no "rest of the story" of his horrific reign as Governor or viceroy of the Indies. He was actually relieved by the Queen due to incompetence and brutality. His replacement was tasked with investigating him. The stuff he uncovered was the stuff out of a horror movies. I don't think American text books always do a great job of completing the narrative.
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