Who did Christ die for?

I don't think the OT sacrifices provided true atonement.
Romans 3: 25 seems to address this issue.

My Bible has a footnote as well, offering an expanded translation of the verse at the word "atonement". It reads "as the one who would turn aside his wrath, taking away sin".
God gave instructions to the nation of how His judgement could be appeased, but I see it as a temporary appeasement. The sins of the OT saints were paid for by Christ, not the blood of sheep and goats as Hebrews 10 teaches.
I'm posting the first 18 verses which I think explain well why the atonement for Israel was not a true lasting atonement.

 

How should we understand Yom Kippur?

 

Who are you asking?

 

You need an influence like Finney, et al, to understand "choose you this day who you will serve...", "whole world", and "everyone"? I know your camp does...mine doesn't.

 

God, logic and His attributes

oops, I posted this here in error

 

Do you care to venture an answer?

 

Jesus death was for one and all.:saint:

 

Is it me, or was there panic in the room?

I have seen this more then just once. Remember Blammo? I think that was his name. He would start to lean one way, and all those on the other side would get mad at him.

It seems like some would never let such thinking that they could be wrong find place in their little mind. No one should run from the truth. It is what it is.


Calvinist need to make sure they never act in this way.

 

I see just the opposite, James. I see one person leaning your way...and then being showered with praise for learning the "truth" and "Scripture". I guess it's in the eye of the beholder, eh?

 

I and others have seen this for weeks and said nothing.

I have been away all day....that was my take on things as I read it. I have been wrong before, so its no big deal if I'm wrong again. That is just how I saw things.

Anyway...back to the thread

 

It couldn't have been that many weeks ago...

http://www.baptistboard.com/showpost...9&postcount=13

 

Guys, guys! As flattering as this is, please stop fighting over me! :laugh: :laugh:

We shouldn't be afraid to explore all the truths in God's word. That's what I'm doing.

 

Wow. I feel like a hollywood star getting caught in soundbites! :laugh:

Actually, I am a little embarrassed.

I guess I look like I have mulitple personalities.

 

I fight for truth, Amy (now I sound like a super hero :laugh

I was in the EXACT same boat as you 4 - 5 years ago. One of the things I did was speak to long time calvinists who no longer believed that way (I believe Alex falls in that camp) and why they didn't. I found it quite interesting the personality traits I discovered that I shared with cal's and those who became non cal's.

The main thing was prayer. I kept an open mind and kept asking the Holy Spirit to utterly reject what's not truth.

 

And that's what I'm doing too. I promise. In fact my prayer is identical to yours.

 

A couple of comments on some things that caught my eye on the last couple of pages:

No but both sides can be wrong and I think we should keep that in mind as we discuss these issues.

I’m not in the least chagrined, though you may think I should be. I personally believe the Holy Spirit brings us to the knowledge that we personally need ourselves at the particular time we need to know them. On top of that, I don’t believe the Holy Spirit would guide us to believe something different from what is written in the scriptures. (you know, like “whosoever will”)


And last but not least, Amy. We are all influenced every single day by: the way were raised to believe, by what we read, by our conversations with others and hopefully by the Holy Spirit. It is not the truth to say that nothing influences us. Simply reading the BB is going to have some impact on what you think and cause you to question why you believe what you believe. This is not a bad thing. My belief is that one must question in order to learn and mature as a Christian ("study to show thyself approved"). Pray, read, pray, read, read while praying, pray while reading and don't expect to much too soon. You will find answers to your questions.

 

Thanks MK.

I hope everyone knows it's not my intention to cause division.

 

I agree that individual beliefs within each can both be wrong...by how can calvinist vs. non calvinist both be wrong, though? They are two absolutes on each side of the spectrum. If both are wrong, nothing is right.

 

None of us, no matter what side we're on can be 100% correct, because God has not revealed all there is to know to us.

I have said for a long time that I see both predestination and free will in the pages of God's word. I can't explain how they both work together because they seem to oppose one another, but they are definitely there and both are true.