Who is Rick Warren, really?

[Amy.G]

Was the Jewish religion that Jesus ministered in a true religion?

Yes. The Jews were the chosen of God.

 

[Mexdeaf]

Yes. The Jews were the chosen of God.

Jesus (and Paul) didn't seem to agree with them much. Yet they went into their temples to minister to them- how ecumenical can you get?

 

[Amy.G]

Jesus (and Paul) didn't seem to agree with them much. Yet they went into their temples to minister to them- how ecumenical can you get?

The Pharisees had perverted Judaism, but as Jesus said salvation is through the Jews. God chose the Jews and established the Law Himself so to say it is not a "true religion" is ridiculous.

 

[quantumfaith]

you are the perfect example of why I research his quotes "all over the internet" in their context...and you know what...I can count on maybe 2 fingers the times I found the allegations to be true. His gospel in PDL is the same Gospel of the Bible, salvation by grace through faith. Period. The irony is the thief on the cross was save by a mere prayer, yet nobody accuses him of being a wolf in wheels clothing or a heretic. Y'all need a new pony to ride.

:applause::applause::applause:

 

[quantumfaith]

"Insanity = Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results." --Albert Einstein

I've asked for examples of Rick Warren's ecumenism, his twisting of scripture, etc. and no one has really obliged me. So I guess if I were to ask again I'm insane. Really, if there is a two hour video about it and loads of websites and internet quotes out there, surely someone can give some examples.

I remember "getting in trouble" here in BB for quoting "stuff" that I discovered on the internet.

Bottom line....some like Mr. Warren and appreciate what he does to introduce people to Christ....others (and they will always be) don't like him or his methods. Personally I am of the former, appreciating what he does to communicate the gospel. I will "permit" God to deal with Mr. Warren as He sees fit.

 

[saturneptune]

And it is against the board rules from what I've been told for him to accuse you of bearing false witness.

Most every post you have made is a violation of BB rules in one manner or another, so you should welcome the company.

 

[quantumfaith]

"Churches should be theologically sound and culturally relevant. We should be bold in our proclamation and winsome in our approach. In the Gospels we find in Jesus the embodiment of both. As his body, we should be as well."

Andy Stanley

 

[righteousdude2]

Yeah, I Hear That....

Dude,

The issue in this link was the statement that we should be "Inter-religious", what is that? Does that mean we should worship together or just respect each other. This is an area where I think Warren is a little vague.

...which is why I attached that article. He's involved, up to his neck, in this Muslim conference at a Christian church [if you can still call Episcopal's Chrisitan?]. I thought this most current event would only lend credibility to your post??? :thumbs:

 

[Alive in Christ]

I've asked for examples of Rick Warren's ecumenism, his twisting of scripture, etc. and no one has really obliged me

We have pointed people , over and over, to simply watch...the...video.

Mostly we have recieved lame excuses as to why they ...darn the luck...cant (wont) watch it.

It reminds me of Shultz on Hogans heroes...



"I see nothink..I know nothink"

 

[righteousdude2]

I'll Toss This Out One More Time....

It was interesting when I was reading Bohnhoeffer's biography last night how he had "ecumenical endeavors" as well. .

...when you talk about the ecumenical movement!

A Mormon missionary, priest, and Bhudist priest were leaving an ecumenical conference in the heart of the Congo. As they made their way along the path to the city and their respective hotels, a very big, VERY hungry lion pounced on all three of them, and ate them up.

Later, that evening, after some stomach aches from eating so much and so fast, the lion headed into the bush and had an "Ecumenical movement!"

That is what I think of true believers trying to mix it up with those of other's faiths. It is like Paul [inspired by the Holy Ghost] said, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?' 2 Corinthians 6:14.

So often the church links this teaching to marriage, but it goes further than marriage. It speaks about the need to not be linked together with those who are NOT believers! :type:

 

[webdog]

...when you talk about the ecumenical movement!

A Mormon missionary, priest, and Bhudist priest were leaving an ecumenical conference in the heart of the Congo. As they made their way along the path to the city and their respective hotels, a very big, VERY hungry lion pounced on all three of them, and ate them up.

Later, that evening, after some stomach aches from eating so much and so fast, the lion headed into the bush and had an "Ecumenical movement!"

That is what I think of true believers trying to mix it up with those of other's faiths. It is like Paul [inspired by the Holy Ghost] said, "Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness?' 2 Corinthians 6:14.

So often the church links this teaching to marriage, but it goes further than marriage. It speaks about the need to not be linked together with those who are NOT believers! :type:

I disagree. Using your application, unless you grow your own food and spin your own clothing you are violating your own convictions.

 

[righteousdude2]

Well that's your right...

I disagree. Using your application, unless you grow your own food and spin your own clothing you are violating your own convictions.

...but, it seems to me that you are disagreeing with most of the comments on this post. So, I'll let your comments roll off my shoudlers, and not take them seriously. Peace!:thumbsup:

 

[InTheLight]

We have pointed people , over and over, to simply watch...the...video.

Mostly we have recieved lame excuses as to why they ...darn the luck...cant (wont) watch it.

You've seen the video. Would you be so kind as to give time elapsed markers on the video where they point out the instances where RW twists scripture?

 

[webdog]

...but, it seems to me that you are disagreeing with most of the comments on this post. So, I'll let your comments roll off my shoudlers, and not take them seriously. Peace!:thumbsup:

If you think ignorance is bliss, all the power to you. I can from here on out just as easily dismiss all of your comments since you are slinging mud like most on this thread...or we can act like adults and debate points on a debate forum. Fact is using your logic YOU are violating this every time you take a paycheck from an unbeliever. I know why you don't want to address that, but at least be honest about it.

 

[SolaSaint]

Why would one need to ask Warren? His words are all over the internet. I watched the video, but wasn't really surprised at the info since I've heard and read of him for years. I watched his speech a few years ago when he said "God likes to see you being you". Ugh. Me being "me" is just a big sinner. God wants "me" to be like Christ, not like ME.
I read PDL and threw it in the trash. His misuse of scripture was appalling. He uses many translations and paraphrases to pick and choose his points and even goes so far as to chop up verses and use 2 or more versions within the same verse! Thus making it say what he wants it to say. I bought the book because of all the hoopla and good reviews of it so I had no agenda when I read it. I was expecting wonderful things, but was sadly disappointed.

His gospel in the book consists of saying a prayer: "I believe in you and receive you". Then says "if you said this prayer, you are now in the family of God". WHAT???? That is whole extent of the gospel in his PDL book. This book has been very popular among non believers so to present the gospel in this way is creating many false believers who do not understand the seriousness of their sin and their need for a Savior to forgive them and restore them to a right relationship with God and the receiving of eternal life.

Very well said Amy! :thumbs:

 

[SolaSaint]

Here's a link to a new report on the rerelease of PDL by Rick Warren. It is by Lighthouse Trails and it should only take about 5 minutes to read of some of the false issues with Warren. Of course some in here will immediately dismiss this and choose not to read it. I ask you to not comment then please. I ask you to seriously read it prayerfully and ask God if there is anything wrong with what Warren is doing. God bless"

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/pdl-2012.html

 

[webdog]

Warren Retains Unbiblical Position
in New 2012 Edition of The Purpose Driven Life

This is the title. I'm sure it is completely unbiased and lacks any kind of question begging.

Next...

 

[Zaac]

Zaac...





Any and all of them...if it is a christian ministry.

As an example...


There is nothing at all wrong with a chrstian neihbor participating in a soft ball leaghe with his muslim neighbor. Likewise there is nothing wrong with a christian. bringing food to a muslim who has lost a loved one.


But we DO NOT take our muslim friends out with us when we...a group of church members...are are out taking food to poor people.

To bring muslim friends with us for something like that is (((bearing false witness)))
We are telling the world that all religions are the same.

They are not

We are of the Light. They are of the darkness

What fellowship has light with darkness

I agree. Taking care of the poor, the widows and the orphans is the work of the Body of Christ. When we make it look, again, like we have joined with these false religions, confusion will abound.

 

[righteousdude2]

What???

every time you take a paycheck from an unbeliever.

What does this have to do with the price of tea in China? If you support RW, that is your business. And if I choose to not to care for him, that is mine! It is not worth debating you over, as we both have our minds made up as to what we believe, thus debating is not worth the time it would take. I have much better things to do, and for your information, I'm not lsinging mud. Go back to my very first comment, "I would not want to be seen as standing in judgment of him or his ministry, so I will stop short of saying anything else. What I sense is not tangible, let's just say [as the Newsboy said in one of their songs], "It's a Holy nudge within from the Holy Spirit!"

If there is any mud in that, please point it out, so I can clean up my act :laugh: By tangible, I hoped to avoid any debate. For me, it is purely a personal thang, dawg! :type: Me thinks you owe me an apology, because I was one who did not sling mud. I did comment about the "ecumenical" thing [and that, toooooo, is not debatable, SORRY], but that is my feeling on that movement, not RW.

 

[Alive in Christ]

Here's a link to a new report on the rerelease of PDL by Rick Warren. It is by Lighthouse Trails and it should only take about 5 minutes to read of some of the false issues with Warren. Of course some in here will immediately dismiss this and choose not to read it. I ask you to not comment then please. I ask you to seriously read it prayerfully and ask God if there is anything wrong with what Warren is doing. God bless"

http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/pdl-2012.html

Sola Saint...

Thank you for that very enlightening link. The truth exposes the darkness wonderfully.

It took me just a few minutes to read the material in the link, but I am sure that the Warren-ites will probably be just waaay too busy to read it.