Who is Rick Warren, really?

[annsni]

YOU were reading Bohnhoeffer. No one else in this discussion seems to have been. If I were reading something about his ecumenical joining of the Body to that which is against Christ, I would have the very same objection as GOD says to not do it.

From the book:

The man counted among his friends a number of prominent persons, including George Bell, the bishop of Chichester. Bell arranged the [memorial] service, for he had known and loved the man being honored [Bonhoeffer]. The bishop met him years before the war when the two were engaged in ecumenical efforts, trying to warn Europe against the designs of the Nazies, then trying to rescue Jews, and finally trying to bring news of the German resistance to the attention of the British government.

from Bonhoeffer: Pastor, Martyr, Prophet, Spy

 

[annsni]

As I asked earlier, did you PARTNER with the Catholic Church in this endeavor? If so, your church is just as wrong as Saddleback would be if it partnered with that which is against Christ.

And even if you haven't partnered with that which is against Christ, when you give the perception that you have, the consequences are much the same.

We began it as a ministry of the church then launched it as it's own independent non-profit. We support it as do many other churches and synagogues in the area.

 

[Zaac]

We began it as a ministry of the church then launched it as it's own independent non-profit. We support it as do many other churches and synagogues in the area.

Then there doesn't appear to be an issue because what your church is doing doesn't seem to be the same as what Saddleback is making themselves to look to be doing.

A lot of the stuff they have done with Muslims has been presented as a partnership and then when questioned, back peddling has taken place.

Rick Warren needs to be very careful of letting other staff members make statements that are perceived as Saddleback statements.

If the church is operating RIGHT, then he and other people wouldn't be authoring confusion about what he and the church believes. And that's one of the reasons it is a dangerous thing for a Christian Church to be partnering with a non-Christian church to do anything.

 

[Amy.G]

Have you ever directed a question to Warren? If not you are nothing more than a gossiper.

Why would one need to ask Warren? His words are all over the internet. I watched the video, but wasn't really surprised at the info since I've heard and read of him for years. I watched his speech a few years ago when he said "God likes to see you being you". Ugh. Me being "me" is just a big sinner. God wants "me" to be like Christ, not like ME.
I read PDL and threw it in the trash. His misuse of scripture was appalling. He uses many translations and paraphrases to pick and choose his points and even goes so far as to chop up verses and use 2 or more versions within the same verse! Thus making it say what he wants it to say. I bought the book because of all the hoopla and good reviews of it so I had no agenda when I read it. I was expecting wonderful things, but was sadly disappointed.

His gospel in the book consists of saying a prayer: "I believe in you and receive you". Then says "if you said this prayer, you are now in the family of God". WHAT???? That is whole extent of the gospel in his PDL book. This book has been very popular among non believers so to present the gospel in this way is creating many false believers who do not understand the seriousness of their sin and their need for a Savior to forgive them and restore them to a right relationship with God and the receiving of eternal life.

 

[webdog]

Why would one need to ask Warren? His words are all over the internet. I watched the video, but wasn't really surprised at the info since I've heard and read of him for years. I watched his speech a few years ago when he said "God likes to see you being you". Ugh. Me being "me" is just a big sinner. God wants "me" to be like Christ, not like ME.
I read PDL and threw it in the trash. His misuse of scripture was appalling. He uses many translations and paraphrases to pick and choose his points and even goes so far as to chop up verses and use 2 or more versions within the same verse! Thus making it say what he wants it to say. I bought the book because of all the hoopla and good reviews of it so I had no agenda when I read it. I was expecting wonderful things, but was sadly disappointed.

His gospel in the book consists of saying a prayer: "I believe in you and receive you". Then says "if you said this prayer, you are now in the family of God". WHAT???? That is whole extent of the gospel in his PDL book. This book has been very popular among non believers so to present the gospel in this way is creating many false believers who do not understand the seriousness of their sin and their need for a Savior to forgive them and restore them to a right relationship with God and the receiving of eternal life.

you are the perfect example of why I research his quotes "all over the internet" in their context...and you know what...I can count on maybe 2 fingers the times I found the allegations to be true. His gospel in PDL is the same Gospel of the Bible, salvation by grace through faith. Period. The irony is the thief on the cross was save by a mere prayer, yet nobody accuses him of being a wolf in wheels clothing or a heretic. Y'all need a new pony to ride.

 

[annsni]

Then there doesn't appear to be an issue because what your church is doing doesn't seem to be the same as what Saddleback is making themselves to look to be doing.

So it's OK for us to partner with the Catholic Church to support life? Interesting.

A lot of the stuff they have done with Muslims has been presented as a partnership and then when questioned, back peddling has taken place.

Link?

 

[Amy.G]

His gospel in PDL is the same Gospel of the Bible, salvation by grace through faith. Period.

No it isn't. Lot's of people believe Christ existed and was a real person. That doesn't make them saved. The real gospel was non existent in that book. I didn't "pull" quotes from the internet. I read it myself.

I also watched for myself his statement that God enjoys you being you. What baloney.

Here is the real gospel:
1 Corinthians 15:2-4 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What do you think it means to "believe in vain"?

 

[Zaac]

So it's OK for us to partner with the Catholic Church to support life? Interesting.

Umm, that is NOT what I said. There is NO reason for you to partner with anything that is against Christ.

For what reason would your church need to partner with the Catholic Church and make it look as though your beliefs are the same?

Link?

As I've said to others, you're online. Look it up.:laugh:

 

[webdog]

No it isn't. Lot's of people believe Christ existed and was a real person. That doesn't make them saved. The real gospel was non existent in that book. I didn't "pull" quotes from the internet. I read it myself.

I also watched for myself his statement that God enjoys you being you. What baloney.

Here is the real gospel:
1 Corinthians 15:2-4 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain. For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:

What do you think it means to "believe in vain"?

there are his very quotes on this thread refuting your false allegation of what he means by believe.

Also please supply the source for his "you being you" comment for all of us to see in context, lest it be nothing but hot air and bearing false witness.

 

[annsni]

His gospel in the book consists of saying a prayer: "I believe in you and receive you". Then says "if you said this prayer, you are now in the family of God". WHAT???? That is whole extent of the gospel in his PDL book. This book has been very popular among non believers so to present the gospel in this way is creating many false believers who do not understand the seriousness of their sin and their need for a Savior to forgive them and restore them to a right relationship with God and the receiving of eternal life.

Actually, that's not all he says - there IS more.

Additionally, here is a free resource he has on his website. I think it's clear that he preaches and teaches the Gospel.

http://saddlebackmediawest.s3.amazo...816342&Signature=1tU46k0JZG7PoIFbieINfpGoAl0=

 

[Zaac]

Actually, that's not all he says - there IS more.

Additionally, here is a free resource he has on his website. I think it's clear that he preaches and teaches the Gospel.

http://saddlebackmediawest.s3.amazo...816342&Signature=1tU46k0JZG7PoIFbieINfpGoAl0=

SO if this man is preaching and teaching the Gospel, what has he done that has so many questioning whether he does or not? If his comments are Biblically based, that's easy to find. But there's obviously been some non-Biblical stuff that has fed these pronouncements of him not teaching and preaching the Gospel.

I know a church that split over the decision to keep that mess of a book, PDL, in their library.

 

[Amy.G]

there are his very quotes on this thread refuting your false allegation of what he means by believe.

Also please supply the source for his "you being you" comment for all of us to see in context, lest it be nothing but hot air and bearing false witness.

I do not bear false witness. Go to the link and start at the 19:21 mark. He says "God smiles at you being you".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf86uzhO6Jo

And you can't "refute" what he says because it's in black and white. I don't know what he says elsewhere, but in his PDL book, I have quoted him exactly. It cannot be refuted.

 

[Zaac]

I do not bear false witness. Go to the link and start at the 19:21 mark. He says "God smiles at you being you".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf86uzhO6Jo

And you can't "refute" what he says because it's in black and white. I don't know what he says elsewhere, but in his PDL book, I have quoted him exactly. It cannot be refuted.

And it is against the board rules from what I've been told for him to accuse you of bearing false witness.

 

[webdog]

And it is against the board rules from what I've been told for him to accuse you of bearing false witness.

You need to learn the rules.

 

[annsni]

I do not bear false witness. Go to the link and start at the 19:21 mark. He says "God smiles at you being you".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf86uzhO6Jo

And you can't "refute" what he says because it's in black and white. I don't know what he says elsewhere, but in his PDL book, I have quoted him exactly. It cannot be refuted.

I like what he says and I agree with him. God created us with certain gifts, talents, "bents", etc. When we are using our God-given gifts, it pleases the Lord. Why is that a bad thing?

 

[webdog]

I do not bear false witness. Go to the link and start at the 19:21 mark. He says "God smiles at you being you".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lf86uzhO6Jo

And you can't "refute" what he says because it's in black and white. I don't know what he says elsewhere, but in his PDL book, I have quoted him exactly. It cannot be refuted.

Like I said, IN CONTEXT I have no problem with him saying that. Unless you don't believe He is sovereign and designed us the way we are, what RW refers to as our SHAPE, we are who we are due to what He has given us. Had you backed up a few minutes you would have seen how RW compared this to Moses' staff, meaning if we lay it down in front of Him, He will use what HE has given us for amazing things.

I'm surprised your discernment is so lacking, Amy

 

[Amy.G]

Like I said, IN CONTEXT I have no problem with him saying that. Unless you don't believe He is sovereign and designed us the way we are, what RW refers to as our SHAPE, we are who we are due to what He has given us. Had you backed up a few minutes you would have seen how RW compared this to Moses' staff, meaning if we lay it down in front of Him, He will use what HE has given us for amazing things.

I'm surprised your discernment is so lacking, Amy

My discernment is in fine working order. God does not want us to stay as we are. He wants to conform us to Christ. Is a homosexual "wired" to be that way? Well, then God smiles at that!
Good grief.

 

[webdog]

SO if this man is preaching and teaching the Gospel, what has he done that has so many questioning whether he does or not? If his comments are Biblically based, that's easy to find. But there's obviously been some non-Biblical stuff that has fed these pronouncements of him not teaching and preaching the Gospel.

I know a church that split over the decision to keep that mess of a book, PDL, in their library.

Its called band wagon jumping. All it takes is another prominent author to bash him in a spiritual sounding way and the sheeple jump on board.

 

[Zaac]

You need to learn the rules.

Maybe you need to check with the Mods because it was relayed that we are not to call people liars or say that they are bearing false witness.

But you do you. :thumbsup:

 

[webdog]

My discernment is in fine working order. God does not want us to stay as we are. He wants to conform us to Christ. Is a homosexual "wired" to be that way? Well, then God smiles at that!
Good grief.

I beg to differ as that is EXACTLY what he was getting at minus the non sequitur. It would help for you to understand what he means by our shape before assigning our sins to what he never has.