Who really was Jesus Christ?

[Yeshua1]

I appreciate your attempt. Yes, the Son surely was given by Father God to the world.

But ...
Was He given as actually being the Word (the Logos) coming to become flesh?
Or ...
Was He given at the time when the Holy Spirit overshadowed Mary,
causing the Child to have God the Holy Spirit playing the role of His "father",
thus becoming the unique "ONLY-begotten Son of God"?

In Scripture there are 2 obvious "sendings" by Father God:
#1 - He sent the Word (the Logos) to earth to become flesh (Jesus).
#2 - 30 years later, He sent Jesus (the Son of God) into the world with His gospel.

I see much confusion in Scripture between these 2 sendings ...
and I am sure they can only be resolved through spiritual revelation, which is how all spiritual truth comes!
(I don't see my questions as being cultic because I believe Jesus was "fully man and fully God".)

News Flash! I still am unnable to find any Scripture proving the Son of God was eternally in heaven, i.e. prior to Jesus' birth.
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Logos/word IS God the Son, he became human flesh as jesus!

not 2 seperate times, just one time God became a man and lived among us!

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus was the firstborn over all creation. For by Jesus all things were created, by him and for him.

Colossians 1:15 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. 16For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. 17He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.

Through Jesus, all things were made.

John 1:3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.

Through Jesus the universe was made.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Now, I believe Jesus existed as Jesus before he came to earth. Do you believe that? I believe Jesus is God in a different form. Do you believe that? So then, if God did not create Himself in a different form as Jesus, then you please explain to me how Jesus existed with God before the creation of the world, and how Jesus created the world too. Where then is God? Jesus is God! Again, since you want to correct me, also explain.

jesus was/is the second person of the truine God, as he was JUST God the Son, logos/word, and he became human form and flesh, and THAT is when he became jesus.... So His diety/divine nature is from eternity, while his humanity from time of Him coming thru His mother mary!

 

[thegospelgeek]

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(John 8:58 KJV)

 

[thegospelgeek]

From Gill.........

before Abraham was, I am; which is to be understood, not of his being in the purpose and decree of God, foreordained to sufferings, and to glory; for so all the elect of God may be said to be before Abraham, being chosen in Christ before the foundation of the world: or that Christ was man, before Abraham became the father of many nations; that is, before the calling of the Gentiles; for nothing is said in the text about his being the father of many nations; it is a bold and impudent addition to it: and besides, Abraham was made the father of many nations, as Ishmaelites, Israelites, Hagarenes, &c. long before the incarnation of Christ; yea, he was so from the very promise in Gen_17:5, which so runs, "a father of many nations have I made thee"; so that this appears a false sense of the text, which is to be understood of the deity, eternity, and immutability of Christ, and refers to the passage in Exo_3:14. "I am that I am--I am hath sent me unto you", the true Jehovah; and so Christ was before Abraham was in being, the everlasting I am, the eternal God, which is, and was, and is to come: he appeared in an human form to our first parents before Abraham was, and was manifested as the Mediator, Saviour, and living Redeemer, to whom all the patriarchs before Abraham looked, and by whom they were saved: he was concerned in the creation of all things out of nothing, as the efficient cause thereof; he was set up from everlasting as Mediator; and the covenant of grace was made with him, and the blessings and promises of it were put into his hands before the world began; the eternal election of men to everlasting life was made in him before the foundation of the world; and he had a glory with his Father before the world was; yea, from all eternity he was the Son of God, of the same nature with him, and equal to him; and his being of the same nature proves his eternity, as well as deity, that he is from everlasting to everlasting God; and is what he ever was, and will be what he now is: he is immutable, the same today, yesterday, and for ever; in his nature, love, grace, and fulness, he is the invariable and unchangeable I am.

 

[Yeshua1]

Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(John 8:58 KJV)

And the Jews who heard him took up stones that stone him with, as they knew he was claiming to be the God of Isreal there!

 

[savedbymercy]

Who really was Jesus Christ?

He is also God, Almighty !

 

[evangelist-7]

Here are three scriptures that prove Jesus was in heaven prior to his earthly birth.

John 17:5 And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began.

John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

Hebrews 1:2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe.

Re: “or”, I was distinguishing between 2 ways of looking at it.
Re: sendings, the difference is they’re 30 years apart, time-wise.

John 17:5 ... the Logos, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, is speaking.

John 17:24 ... the Logos, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, is speaking.

Hebrews 1:2 ... when the Logos became flesh (Jesus), Jesus was given the name/title "Son of God",
as explained in the OP.

P.S. I realize these new concepts are very difficult to comprehend.
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[evangelist-7]

Logos/word IS God the Son, he became human flesh as jesus!

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The Word (Logos) [the Second Person of the Trinity] was sent by the Father, and became flesh (Jesus).

At this point in time, this ONE born of Mary began being CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God",
as per the instructions of Gabriel.

When Jesus was on earth, was the Word (Logos) NO longer allowed to speak?

When Jesus said, "Gee, I was with the Father (and shared His glory) for the last trillion years!"
... why cannot this actually be the Word (Logos) talking?

When Jesus walked the earth, the "fully God" part of Him was NOT Jesus, it was the Word (Logos)
... because it was the Word (Logos) who became Jesus in da foist place.

I just don't see an eternal Jesus coming down to earth and becoming flesh (Jesus).
No, the Word (Logos) came down and became flesh (Jesus).

I see "Jesus" and "the Son of God" as being only names/titles.

But, after the Word (Logos) was given these 2 additional names,
it was kosher to say they were equivalent to the Word (Logos)
... on earth and then later in Heaven (including now).

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[Yeshua1]

its NOT that jesus is a man who was possessed by the Logos, that it came upon him say at his baptism and left at his death...

He was/is BOTh God nature and human nature in One body and being!

 

[evangelist-7]

its NOT that jesus is a man who was possessed by the Logos,
that it came upon him say at his baptism and left at his death...
He was/is BOTh God nature and human nature in One body and being!

Are you talking to me?
Nothing to do with His baptism ... just His birth.
We're both saying the Fetus or Baby became totally God, and He also was obviously totally human.
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[Yeshua1]

Are you talking to me?
Nothing to do with His baptism ... just His birth.
We're both saying the Fetus or Baby became totally God, and He also was obviously totally human.
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Do you hold that it was God becoming a man then?

 

[evangelist-7]

Do you hold that it was God becoming a man then?

Of course ... you're going to have to read my posts more carefully.

The Word (the Logos) was/is God, and He came down and became flesh (Jesus) ... John 1:14
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[Moriah]

Re: “or”, I was distinguishing between 2 ways of looking at it.
Re: sendings, the difference is they’re 30 years apart, time-wise.

What difference does that make that it was 30 years apart?

In those years, Jesus grew in wisdom and stature, and in favor with God and men.

John 17:5 ... the Logos, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, is speaking.

Let us discuss this very difficult topic by just using scripture and words the Bible uses, and give scripture. Is the word ‘Triune’ in the Bible? If it is, then give the scripture too. If it is not, then do not use it. Would that be okay with you?

Now, why are you pointing it out that Jesus is speaking in John 17:5?

John 17:24 ... the Logos, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead, is speaking.

Please explain to me why you are pointing out that “the Second Person of the Truine Godhead is speaking.”

Hebrews 1:2 ... when the Logos became flesh (Jesus), Jesus was given the name/title "Son of God",
as explained in the OP.

What is your point about that?

P.S. I realize these new concepts are very difficult to comprehend.

What new concepts are you trying to convey?

 

[Moriah]

The Word (Logos) [the Second Person of the Trinity] was sent by the Father, and became flesh (Jesus).

At this point in time, this ONE born of Mary began being CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God",
as per the instructions of Gabriel.

When Jesus was on earth, was the Word (Logos) NO longer allowed to speak?

Why would you wonder if Jesus was no longer allowed to speak?
What makes you think Jesus did not speak?

When Jesus said, "Gee, I was with the Father (and shared His glory) for the last trillion years!"
... why cannot this actually be the Word (Logos) talking?

What are you talking about?

When Jesus walked the earth, the "fully God" part of Him was NOT Jesus, it was the Word (Logos)
... because it was the Word (Logos) who became Jesus in da foist place.

The Word was God.

I just don't see an eternal Jesus coming down to earth and becoming flesh (Jesus).
No, the Word (Logos) came down and became flesh (Jesus).

Then how do you explain that Jesus is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation, Colossians 1:15?
Why is it so hard to believe that God created Jesus in Mary’s womb, but that that same Jesus was also created before the creation of the world, and then all things made through Jesus?
You think that Jesus went up to heaven and turned back into being what?

I see "Jesus" and "the Son of God" as being only names/titles.

Then are you saying God just loved the title before the creation of the world?
John 17:24 "Father, I want those you have given me to be with me where I am, and to see my glory, the glory you have given me because you loved me before the creation of the world.

But, after the Word (Logos) was given these 2 additional names,

What were the 2 additional names you are talking about?

it was kosher to say they were equivalent to the Word (Logos)
... on earth and then later in Heaven (including now).

What do you mean?

 

[evangelist-7]

Some forum threads should be given the warning label: CCC
… which stands for:
Concentrate – closely on what you are reading
Comprehend – the meaning of what you are reading
Consider – openly what you have just read
.

 

[evangelist-7]

What are you talking about?

Moriah, please thoughtfully read post #55.
And then, if you so choose, go back and study everything that I have written.
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[percho]

What does this word mean? υἱός - huios.

If it is used relative to another, what meaning does it then carry relative to the other?

πατήρ patēr-----υἱός - huios

Why would these two words be used to describe, Godhead, if by definition of each word it would be impossible for both to be without beginning and be what called?

Neither can exist without the other can it? You can only be one if you have one.
If you do not have one you can not be the other. You are something else.

I went into a McDonald's years ago and ordered a small coke and was told they did not have but two sizes of drinks. Large and Medium,

Ugh!

Just some thoughts while I'm not thinking about anything else.

No thoughts on the above thoughts concerning a Father and Son.

I also have always wondered why the Holy Spirit God included the following in the word.

And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham. For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

 

[Yeshua1]

Moriah, please thoughtfully read post #55.
And then, if you so choose, go back and study everything that I have written.
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Do you hold the before he came to earth as jesus, God the Son was the Word/Logos of God, never a time when he did not exist?

 

[Moriah]

Moriah, please thoughtfully read post #55.
And then, if you so choose, go back and study everything that I have written.
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Your rudeness sounds like a cover up for the inability to explain your beliefs. You should be glad that someone is trying to understand your confusion. When you come up with a strange idea to be discussed in a public forum, be prepared to put up with questions. I already read what you had said before, and it is not coherent. Do you understand that?
Jesus was with God in the beginning, and not just as a title.
You accuse Jesus of being a title, and that God loved only a title.
You should be thrilled that I paid this much attention to your strange doctrine.

 

[Jedi Knight]

Some forum threads should be given the warning label: CCC
… which stands for:
Concentrate – closely on what you are reading
Comprehend – the meaning of what you are reading
Consider – openly what you have just read
.

Condescending.....don't remeber that as one of the fruits of the Spirit.