Who really was Jesus Christ?

[evangelist-7]

No thoughts on the above thoughts concerning a Father and Son.
I also have always wondered why the Holy Spirit God included the following in the word.
And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.

Of what you wrote previously, maybe I understand the following ...
Why would these two words be used to describe, Godhead, if by definition of each word
it would be impossible for both to be without beginning and be what called?
Neither can exist without the other can it?

How can both Father and Son have been from the very beginning? Good question.

Perhaps you have explained why the Son of God really did originate when God's Spirit overshadowed Mary.
Jesus definitely became God's Son at the Incarnation ... this we know for sure!
(Because the God Holy Spirit played the "role" of Jesus' "father".)

 

[Moriah]

Condescending.....don't remeber that as one of the fruits of the Spirit.

I say Amen for you pointing that out to him.

 

[evangelist-7]

Do you hold the before he came to earth as jesus,
God the Son was the Word/Logos of God, never a time when he did not exist?

If you cannot understand my other posts, please try #61.
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[Jedi Knight]

If you cannot understand my other posts, please try #61.
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I'm not going to reiterate whats been shown already but will say God is not the author of confusion. You have VERY confusing views that don't square with the word. That would not be new under the sun.

 

[Yeshua1]

Of what you wrote previously, maybe I understand the following ...
Why would these two words be used to describe, Godhead, if by definition of each word
it would be impossible for both to be without beginning and be what called?
Neither can exist without the other can it?

How can both Father and Son have been from the very beginning? Good question.

Perhaps you have explained why the Son of God really did originate when God's Spirit overshadowed Mary.
Jesus definitely became God's Son at the Incarnation ... this we know for sure!
(Because the God Holy Spirit played the "role" of Jesus' "father".)

jesus did not BECOME the Son at his birth, as he was eternally One WITH the father, its just that he was ONLY God the Son before the Incarnation, and he was born as jesus! at THAT time, His divine nature and His humanity now forever in one Being!

 

[evangelist-7]

Your rudeness sounds like a cover up for the inability to explain your beliefs.
You should be glad that someone is trying to understand your confusion.
When you come up with a strange idea to be discussed in a public forum, be prepared to put up with questions.
I already read what you had said before, and it is not coherent.
Do you understand that?

Let me give you a clue.
My wife has always been an American. We've been married 24 years.
She is highly intelligent, was Valedictorian of her grade 12 class, etc.

She says Americans are not taught to think! (She means most Americans and is referring to the education system.)
And I say she doesn't understand the meaning and value of words!
Both of these statements are true, and Moriah, both of them apply to you (and others).
I.E. I'm not incoherent, you're just uneducated.
You may take this as a "heads-up", or however you wish.
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[Moriah]

Let me give you a clue.
My wife has always been an American. We've been married 24 years.
She is highly intelligent, was Valedictorian of her grade 12 class, etc.

She says Americans are not taught to think! (She means most Americans and is referring to the education system.)
And I say she doesn't understand the meaning and value of words!
Both of these statements are true, and Moriah, both of them apply to you (and others).
I.E. I'm not incoherent, you're just uneducated.
You may take this as a "heads-up", or however you wish.
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Since you think you are so much smarter than most Americans are, maybe you should discuss with you and yourself.

This is a good bye for me.

 

[evangelist-7]

Since you think you are so much smarter than most Americans are, maybe you should discuss with you and yourself.
This is a good bye for me.

See what I mean, Moriah?
I'm not talking about intelligence ... I'm talking about education.
Who you are is just not my fault, but you're blaming me.
Bye, Moriah, and God bless! I wish you all the best, and Jesus sure does too!
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[evangelist-7]

I think it’s time to put this topic to rest … as I see it as an unimportant technicality.
I hope this last attempt will further clarify to some people what I’ve been saying.

The Word (Logos) was God, and He was with Father God from the beginning … John 1:1.
The Word (Logos) came down to earth and became flesh (Jesus) … John 1:14.
IMO, the Word (Logos) was the Second Person of the Trinity.

Gabriel instructed: “that Holy One who is to be born”
will be CALLED "Jesus" and "the Son of God" … Luke 1:31,35.

So, from Jesus’ birth onwards … the Word (Logos) = Jesus = the Son of God

The point is …
Both of these NAMES: "Jesus" and "the Son of God" originated at the time of Jesus’ birth.
These NAMES were never used before Jesus’ birth, i.e. no Scriptures prove that they were.

But, it certainly IS Scriptural to say that Jesus, the Son of God, is in Heaven now.
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[Jedi Knight]

But, it certainly IS Scriptural to say that Jesus, the Son of God, is in Heaven now.
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As he was in Heaven before he came down at his birth.

 

[The Biblicist]

Isa. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I asked you this before but have never seen a response so I will ask it again.

Please tell us which was born and which was given according to Isaiah?

Also, Did God send His "Son" into the world or did He send the "Word" into the world?

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

 

[evangelist-7]

Isa. 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I asked you this before but have never seen a response so I will ask it again.

Please tell us which was born and which was given according to Isaiah?

Also, Did God send His "Son" into the world or did He send the "Word" into the world?

Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

A Child was born whom Gabriel insisted be CALLED “Jesus” and “the Son of God”.
God’s Son was given to us when God the Holy Spirit miraculously served as Jesus’ “father”.
Father God sent the Word to BECOME flesh (Jesus).
Father God sent Jesus, the Son of God, into the world to evangelize it.
2 different “sendings” ... related, but different.

P.S. Eph 3:9 is trickier to explain. Interested?
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[DHK]

A Child was born whom Gabriel insisted be CALLED “Jesus” and “the Son of God”.

Do you have Biblical proof for this?
Since when does Gabriel command God? Is Gabriel of a higher order than God himself that he can insist on God calling this child "Jesus" and "the Son of God"? I have never heard of such a personnage of Gabriel who has such might and power to be either equal to or greater than God! Quite an amazing theology you have. What do you call it? I don't find it in the Bible.

 

[The Biblicist]

Father God sent the Word to BECOME flesh (Jesus).
Father God sent Jesus, the Son of God, into the world to evangelize it.
2 different “sendings” ... related, but different.

Where does it say that God "sent the Word"? I know where the Bible says "The word became flesh" but where does it say "God sent the Word"?

What right have you to insert the word "Jesus" into John 3:17?

Seems to me that you have manufactured a reading that does not exist and a sending that does not exist.

 

[The Biblicist]

A Child was born whom Gabriel insisted be CALLED “Jesus” and “the Son of God”.

Isaiah 9:6 does not say "A child was born whom Gabriel insisted be CALLED 'Jesus' AND ' the Son of God" You are combining both "child" and "son" in the first phrase with the term "born" but Isaiah does not include "Son" in the first phrase as "born" but rather in the second phrase in regard to "given."


The child born was "Jesus" but he also was "Immanuel" or God with us.


Also you are demanding that The Holy Spirit is the "Father" not merely of the "child" but of the "Son of God" and thus making TWO Father's of the "Son of God."

So which of the Two did the Son of God call "Father"????

 

[evangelist-7]

Do you have Biblical proof for this (in blue)?

A Child was born whom Gabriel insisted be CALLED “Jesus” and “the Son of God”.

Gabriel told Joseph to CALL the Child "Jesus" (Matt 1:21).
Gabriel told Mary to CALL the Child "Jesus" (Luke 1:31).
Gabriel told Mary to CALL the Child "the Son of God" (Luke 1:35).
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[evangelist-7]

Where does it say that God "sent the Word"?

"And the Word (the Logos) became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among us ..." John 1:14
We all agree on the above, right?

But, everyone insists that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ.

Yes, Both were/are definitely "fully God".
However, Jesus Christ was BOTH "fully God" AND "fully man".
So, how can people say ... the Word (the Logos) and Jesus Christ are exactly the same?
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[The Biblicist]

"And the Word (the Logos) became flesh (Jesus) and dwelt among us ..." John 1:14
We all agree on the above, right?

Agreed!

But, everyone insists that the Word (the Logos) was/is Jesus Christ.

Wait a minute! Where did I ever say that the Word "was" Jesus before the incarnation? No! I said a "child was born" = Jesus but a "son was given" = The Word or eternal Son of God. I do not believe that Jesus preexisted the incarnation as the name "Jesus" was given to the "child" that was born.

 

[evangelist-7]

Agreed!
Wait a minute! Where did I ever say that the Word "was" Jesus before the incarnation? No! I said a "child was born" = Jesus but a "son was given" = The Word or eternal Son of God. I do not believe that Jesus preexisted the incarnation as the name "Jesus" was given to the "child" that was born.

But, thou artest not "everyone", art thou?
Sorry, I should have said almost everyone.
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[evangelist-7]

This idea came to me recently …

The Word (Logos) was originally clothed in Heaven with an incorruptible body.
After He came to earth, He became flesh (clothed in a corruptible body).
After this body died, He returned to Heaven in His incorruptible body.
The Word (Logos) now lives again in Heaven in His incorruptible body.

And IMO, the Word (Logos) has always been the Second Person of the Holy Trinity.
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