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WHO says no covid travel restrictions any more

Discussion in 'News & Current Events' started by dad2, Jan 12, 2022.

  1. JonC

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    No. I'm not lumping anything. I'm going by your standard.

    You claim that Pfizer brands like Advil, Bextra, Celebrex, Diflucan, Lyrica, and Robitussin should mot be used because they are produced by Pfizer and approved by the government.

    Yet the MMR vaccine that has saved kids lives was actually developed using fetal cell lines (where the covid vaccines were not).

    And these same companies produce many life saving treatments, such as treatments for childhood cancer.

    You are co.fortable with allowing these children to die if it helps your politics. This does not mesh well with an anti-abortion stance.
     
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    No. I said that the vaccine agenda that includes things the drug companies made need not be trusted or used. So tell us how many lives were saved exactly by this vaccine? Support your claims. You have tried to make it sound like covid would have killed millions of children. Where did you pull that from? When you get a number for us, if it can be validated, we can compare that to the aprox 40 million babies a year that get killed. Then we can weigh things.
    Don't try to mask and confuse the issue by raising a list of drugs that may have done some good. The thread is not about all drugs. It is about an article showing how they were changing rules due to the changing nature of covid.

    I see you didn't respond to the points the doctor made. Here they are again.

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    You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did to some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

    Irreversible damage to trust

    However, from the heights of your hubris, you have also ignored the fact that in the end the truth will be revealed. And it begins to be revealed. The truth is that you have brought the public’s trust in you to an unprecedented low, and you have eroded your status as a source of authority. The truth is that you have burned hundreds of billions of shekels to no avail – for publishing intimidation, for ineffective tests, for destructive lockdowns and for disrupting the routine of life in the last two years.

    You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.

    You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.

    When you compare the destructive policies you are pursuing with the sane policies of some other countries — you can clearly see that the destruction you have caused has only added victims beyond the vulnerable to the virus. The economy you ruined, the unemployed you caused, and the children whose education you destroyed — they are the surplus victims as a result of your own actions only.

    There is currently no medical emergency, but you have been cultivating such a condition for two years now because of lust for power, budgets and control. The only emergency now is that you still set policies and hold huge budgets for propaganda and psychological engineering instead of directing them to strengthen the health care system."

    Ehud Qimron’s Powerful Letter to the Israeli Ministry of Health
     
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    The mmr vaccine is estimated to have saved millions. The rabies vaccine several hundred thousand.

    These are people who would be dead today if they heeded your words.

    How does this translate to the covid vaccines?

    Well, we know if your political agenda was followed with other vacvines millions would already have died.

    The unvaccinated are dying at a rate 11 times that of the vaccinated and they are a minority.

    In the US ypu would share the blame for tge deaths exceeding the norm.

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    @dad2 ,

    There are good arguments for and against covid vaccines.

    The problem with your argument (what betrays it as nothing but secular and political) is the fact you have not posted against Christians taking other drugs made by Pfizer (like Advil, Bextra, Celebrex, Diflucan, Lyrica, and Robitussin). You single out one vaccine and lump all covid vaccines into this political category.
     
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    'Pears from this thread, (course I've only read about half of it - all I could take!:Whistling) that a certain poster has renegotiated his contract with the DNC - apparently a tremendous salary increase with such over zealous preaching of the party line!!!!:Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes
     
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    So now you call beliefs held by believers who prefer to choose other alternatives than the pseudo vaccine secular. Another attempt to paint your opinion as the one true Scottsman christian position.

    The thread is about the restrictions that imposed by the covid agenda, Restrictions that hurt the supply chain and brought millions more poverty. Restrictions that were selectively applied and exposed by many doctors as being useless and wrong. Restrictions that separated families, destroyed freedoms, and were used against churches and pastors. This is all part of an agenda that includes lies, vaccinating children, and a move toward totalitarianism unlike anything seen in world history. Chief voices advocating for all this and even more extreme measures are voices that have been the voice of Satan. Voices shouting to have kids undergo sex change treatments and abortions without parental consent. Yet you cast your lot with them and call those who refuse to do so 'secular'. To justify the wicked, you try to list other things that they have done, such as made other drugs that are not transparently dangerous.You ignore the fact that the FDA, drug companies, and the politicians have been involved in child sacrifices by slaughtering millions of unborn babies each year and other monstrous things. You overlook this camel and try to have us swallow the nat of how they have a bunch of drugs, some of which seem benevolent. When you were told that people should choose and operate according to their own faith for themselves and their children, you ignore it. You accuse people of wanting to see millions of children die if they question or refuse the pseudo vaccine.
    The army of medical professionals and doctors and scientists that sound the alarm over the covid agenda is voluminous one example as mentioned is this doctor:
    ".You have not set up an effective system for reporting side effects from the vaccines and reports on side effects have even been deleted from your Facebook page. Doctors avoid linking side effects to the vaccine, lest you persecute them as you did to some of their colleagues. You have ignored many reports of changes in menstrual intensity and menstrual cycle times. You hid data that allows for objective and proper research (for example, you removed the data on passengers at Ben Gurion Airport). Instead, you chose to publish non-objective articles together with senior Pfizer executives on the effectiveness and safety of vaccines.

    You have destroyed the education of our children and their future. You made children feel guilty, scared, smoke, drink, get addicted, drop out, and quarrel, as school principals around the country attest. You have harmed livelihoods, the economy, human rights, mental health and physical health.

    You slandered colleagues who did not surrender to you, you turned the people against each other, divided society and polarized the discourse. You branded, without any scientific basis, people who chose not to get vaccinated as enemies of the public and as spreaders of disease. You promote, in an unprecedented way, a draconian policy of discrimination, denial of rights and selection of people, including children, for their medical choice. A selection that lacks any epidemiological justification.

    ..You insisted on ignoring the fact that the disease is dozens of times more dangerous for risk groups and older adults, than for young people who are not in risk groups

    ..refused to admit that recovery is more protective than a vaccine

    ..refused to admit that mass testing is ineffective

    ..You refused to admit that the infection comes in waves that fade by themselves, despite years of observations and scientific knowledge. You insisted on attributing every decline of a wave solely to your actions

    ..admitted almost no mistake in the last two years, but in retrospect it is clear that you have failed miserably in almost all of your actions
    Ehud Qimron’s Powerful Letter to the Israeli Ministry of Health

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    No. I have no problem with people deciding to take or to reject any vaccine.

    I am calling out the hypocrisy in your post.

    You rally against the covid vaccines by twisting Scripture to suit your needs.

    I have not seen you take the same position with other medications produced by Pfizer (like Advil, Bextra, Celebrex, Diflucan, Lyrica, and Robitussin). I have not seen you condemn blood pressure medications or cancer drugs.

    BUT the reason you give for rejecting the covid vaccines are that they are produced by pharmaceutical companies and approved by the government.

    This is hypocrisy.

    We're you to fight against all medical treatments produced by pharmaceutical companies and approved by the government then you might have a leg to stand on. But as it stands you are like a reed in the wind.
     
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    I don't think @dad2 is a Democrat. He and I stand for the same politics (for the most part).

    I'm complaining about his stand against the covid vaccine based on them being produced by pharmaceutical companies and approved by governments while not taking the stand on other treatments produced by the same companies and approved by the same government.

    The position he has taken is very inconsistent. If the reason the vaccines are bad is because pharmaceutical companies and governments contribute to abortions then this applies to much more than covid vaccines.

    Your implication he is a Democrat, or supports the DNC, is nothing but a weak attempt at an insult.

    I took the Trump vaccine. He didn't. But that does not make him a Democrat.
     
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    In the past, there might heave been a germ of truth to how governments should not be disbelieved by default. In the present time, I can't say that applies. It would be healthier to not believe the little boy that cried wolf while he proceeded to eat the flock.
     
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    Good example. The party of death cannot be supported by believers. Not that any other party is much better, but the overt wickedness of the Obama party simply cannot be ignored or justified.
     
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    Our nation was founded on not trusting the government. I see no reason to change that. The World is always at odds with God.
     
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    I agree. I believe we will be held accountable for our voices (and our votes). I understand there are anti-abortion Democrats, but in the end they are supporting killing babies.
     
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    A new one should be founded upon not trusting it at this rate!
     
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    I'm don't think we can ever have a godly nation. Just look at the people. God would be unjust to overlook the sins within our nation to give us the government you and I would like.

    Every generation seems to drift more and more into ungodliness.

    Twenty years ago would you have guessed designating a bathroom by gender would be controversial? Or that parents would refrain from naming their children until they were old enough to pick a gender?
     
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    I have to agree. I think that some nations, chiefly the US are the modern manifestation of Babylon the Great. If so, they are slated to be burned totally with fire in one hour. Then a new sort of government will come to power for the last years of the history of man. So you are right we never will have a godly nation.
    (reposting some art dealing with that topic)

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    Re: post #88, I was not referring to dad2!!!!
     
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    I don't believe we have any Democrats on this thread. Perhaps you misread a post? If not, then are you able to provide a participant who remotely approached the Democrat position on this thread?

    If your post was honest then my apologies....I was only tracking my conversation with @dad2 (obviously neither of us supporting the DNC) so I thought you were just using politics as a type of slur or insult.

    For clarity, it helps if you quote the posts you are addressing. It cuts down on confusion.
     
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