WHO told you that you were naked?

[ken1burton]

I think this has turned to a high speed thread. Good.

I do believe I am an Angel. I believe an angel is the STATUS of a man. Thing written in Scripture "Which NO MAN can find out" I believe I see. And how can there be anything which a man can not find out seeing God said "Seek and you shall find."

All things then have to be available for finding.

Jesus spoke of adding a cubit to your stature. "What man by taking thought can add a cubit to his stature?" He also said "Greater love has NO MAN then this, that a man should lay down His life for a friend."

There are many who exceed this love. Many who have layed down their lives in service, and physically as they share the Gospel, to friends and enemies alike. Did they add the Cubit, and what would they be if they did. If this is the MEASURE of a man, is it Angel status with a Cubit added?

(REVELATION 21:17) And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man , that is, of the angel. (KJV)

These 144 measured up to Angel status. They are a wall aroung Jesus, they are multiplied by 1,000 in Deuteronomy 1:11. 144,000 with Jesus. They are the ones who came with Judas to do the will of God. They are the Angels given charge over Jesus, and in their hands they shall bear THEE up. Upon a cross at Golgotha.

They are also VIRGINS, They are the men travailing with Child Jeremiah saw. The Body of Christ is seen born the day of the cross in Psalms 2:6/7. This is the Virgin Birth, as all Prophecies are fulfilled in Truth the day of the cross.

DON. I do not think I am Arron. I think Member #426 is

and I am sure of it.

The 2,000 years of the Church has been mentioned several times on this page. Being Honest for a moment, (hopefully for a lifetime). Did you believe the stories surrounding Y2K? Did you suspect Jesus might come then, more then at other times?

Let me first get the Y2K correct. Our Calendar is off by 4 years. Jesus is seen born in 4 bc, because of it. So the Year 2,000 ad really happened in 1996.

Jesus fulfilled the Prophecies at Calvary in 29 ad, when He was about 33 years old.

(LUKE 18:31) Then he took unto him the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished. (KJV)

Take this as when 2,000 years ought to be added, not the rebirth (I see differently) at Bethlehem.

That would take the 2,000 years to 2029 ad. That is when I have said the Nation of Israel will awaken and see Jesus is the Messiah. Jesus is the ARK of God, and the Levites lifted up that ARK at Golgotha in 29 ad.

(JOSHUA 3:3) And they commanded the people, saying, When ye see the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, and the priests the Levites bearing it, then ye shall remove from your place, and go after it. (KJV)
(JOSHUA 3:4) Yet there shall be a space between you and it, about two thousand cubits by measure: come not near unto it, that ye may know the way by which ye must go: for ye have not passed this way heretofore. (KJV)

God speaks in Similitudes, and this is for the Nation of Israel to awaken. They saw this the day of the cross, and the 2,000 cubits takes it to 2029 ad.

This is also seen in Ezekiel's temple vision. likened to the Waters going into the Sea (People as waters) and the sea being healed.

When this happens, The Earth will be full of the Knowledge of the Lord (Truth of the matter). This does not say they will all accept it them, but they will have the Knowledge available.

(ISAIAH 11:9) They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the Lord, as the waters cover the sea . (KJV)

God has a time Table, This is a future similitude for the day of the cross, Jesus as all things cursed. He is also the Earth full of the Knowledge of the Lord.

God had the Children of Israel in Egypt for 400 years, He did not send Moses or anyone else to get them out till the 400 years was over. And the Knowledge of the Lord is also a part of the timetable for 2029 ad. THAT is when it has to be Available. 27 years from now.

So Moses and his faithful companion Aaron go out to fight Scriptural ignorance. They did not even know God's name.

(EXODUS 3:13) And Moses said unto God, Behold, when I come unto the children of Israel, and shall say unto them, The God of your fathers hath sent me unto you; and they shall say to me, What is his name? what shall I say unto them? (KJV)

If Genesis was true accounts, they would have known God's name from Abraham.

(GENESIS 22:14) And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovahjireh: as it is said to this day, In the mount of the Lord it shall be seen. (KJV)

Cute: In the Mount of the Lord (Calvary) it shall (future tense) be seen.

Note also that Abraham is using the name "Jehovah" here. But Abraham does not know God by the name of Jehovah.

(EXODUS 6:3) And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them. (KJV)

"Whose name ALONE (like alone on a cross) is Jehovah."

And He is not ALONE anymore.

I communicate as clearly as possible. Consider there are hundreds of Concepts new to the people are I sharing with. They interlink. They cross refference. I start on one, and get sidetracked as I try to show the others being used with them.

Consider this also. A classroom where most want to argue, few want to listen. Is that a place of learning?

We never stop learning, God just changes the classrooms.

God sent Moses knowing full well he did not speak well. That was one of the requirements for the job. God did not send a High Priest who people would believe to be knowing what he was saying. He sent one who God could show Himself through.

(ACTS 4:13) Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. (KJV)

The High Priests saw past the Messengers and saw who sent the Message. But refused to accept the message.

Too much looking at the Messengers, look at the Message.

Good thing I do not appear Ignorant or unlearned

Shot an arrow means shot an arrow?

(JEREMIAH 5:16) Their quiver is as an open sepulchre, they are all mighty men. (KJV)

The dead rose with Christ. (Isaiah 26:19 "thy dead men shall live, together with My Dead body shall they arise.)

These eat up the things the sons and daughters should eat, GOOD, they are as sons and daughters.

(PSALMS 127:4) As arrows are in the hand of a mighty man; so are children of the youth. (KJV)
(PSALMS 127:5) Happy is the man that hath his quiver full of them: they shall not be ashamed, but they shall speak with the enemies in the gate. (KJV)

The Sepulchre (quiver) full of His Children, or all the Dead rose with Christ. They are shot forth as ARROWS. You will meet them. They are at heaven's gate proclaiming the Love and Mercy of God to all that die still not knowing God.

ken1burton, Dummy for God. But that is what the Job application listed as requirements. That was just under the line "Don't expect to be paid."

 

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Yes!!! Thank you Ken!! Heres a perfect example of what I said before...

I'll listen and think, "huh, no way", listen some more and think, well, I'm not too sure, listen some more and think, "this could very well be", then go back to "huh"? Ultimately I end up saying, "Bon Jovi I think I got it"!!!

Thank you Ken I really appreciate your sharing!

In Him Kim

 

[ken1burton]

Angels, Angels, everywhere. But none with wings to fly.

Michael seen as an Archangel. He is seen in Daniel as "Your prince." The only one that aided Jesus in His coming. Jesus had to get to Daniel when He is dead, and Judas is the one who aided Jesus to get to Daniel.

Michael as a PRINCE. Jesus as a PRINCE in Revelation 1:5. Firstbegotten of the Dead at Bethlehem. That is why Jesus said "I am the Resurrection" before going to the Cross.

Jesus and Judas seen as EQUAL in Psalms 55:13. Both a PRINCE.

(PSALMS 55:13) But it was thou, a man mine equal, my guide, and mine acquaintance. (KJV)

144 with Judas are the Angels given charge over Jesus, seen as a wall in Rev 21:17.

Gabriel. Told Zechariah "He STANDS in the presence of God." Is Jesus Himself. Jesus died 7 days old born to David and Bathsheba in 1004 bc, Reborn to Mary in 4 bc. Isaiah 60:22. "Little one shall be a 1,000"

Isaiah 60:1 "ARISE" (from the dead.)
Isaiah 60:3 "Kings come to the Brightness of Thy rising"
Isaiah 60:6 They come on Camels, and bring Gold and Incense.
Isaiah 60:19 shows the Star (signs are stars) is the Brightness of the MOON. "O little moon of Bethlehem." Which is what those wise men (Bible Students) followed.

God Sends Jesus who is Gabriel first to Zechariah, then to Mary, seen in Daniel at the time of the Beginning=the cross.

(DANIEL 9:21) Yea, whiles I was speaking in prayer, even the man Gabriel, whom I had seen in the vision at the beginning, being caused to fly swiftly, touched me about the time of the evening oblation. (KJV)

Jesus commends His spirit to God, BEGINS to fly swiftly. Evening obligation is when Jesus died, He is the Evening obligation. Jesus is now DEAD, and He comes to Daniel which is then dead, the vision is for the day of the cross WHEN Jesus dies and comes to Daniel.

Gabriel STANDS in the Presence of God WHEN He spoke to Zechariah, But Jesus just OVERCAME.

(REVELATION 3:21) To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. (KJV)

EVEN EVEN EVEN as I also overcame, and as set down with My Father in His throne.

The Angels given charge over Jesus is the 144 with Judas.

The Angels RESERVED in Chains of Darkness are ones able to see in the Darkness (day of the Cross) We see the Chain of Events. Darkness and Light are alike to us.

God dwells in the think darkness. But that is in the Light, Light many can not see.

RESERVED like in the Army Reserve.

Israel is likened to a bush on fire, Jesus spoke to Moses out of the day of the cross. God knowing what is to be said is how these visions take place. They do not go back in time. Time does not exist, it is just a means of Measurement of events.

God said "Let there be light" so we now have time, Before God said it, when God said it, and after God said it. If we know how many times our planet went around the sun since then we could say it happened 1973 years ago.

And if you can see in Darkness you could say it happened on Good Friday in the year we call 29 ad.

"Let there be Light." I am the True Vine, I am the Good Shepherd, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life, In My Father's House are many mansions, Etc, etc.

The Angel of the Lord seen in Zechariah 12:8 is Jesus when He is dead. God shows Jesus before He existed to people in visions and similitudes.

Like Jesus commanding the wind and the waves. You can teach a dog to fetch, and then have the dog fetch, for the Dog has some understanding, and is able to respond. The Wind and waves has no understanding and can not respond to being commanded.

Jesus spoke to the Wind and waves, but in reality He was commanding God. Whose hands make the wind and the waves, and God being commanded had the ability to cause the wind to cease, and the waves to be still.

(ISAIAH 45:11) Thus saith the Lord, the Holy One of Israel, and his Maker, Ask me of things to come concerning my sons, and concerning the work of my hands command ye me. (KJV)

Jesus is the Mountain buring with fire when the second angel sounds in the book of Revealtion. The Disciples at this point which is midnight have NO FAITH. Just as a Mustard seed has no faith. and the sea is the gathering together of the people as waters. (even non-Jews)

So Jesus as a Mountain, or as a sycamore tree, Removes to yonder place.

Angels did not pre-exist creation as it is believed, The "REPLENISH" the Earth is for the day of the cross, Jesus is made all things cursed, and even the earth cursed because of sin.

God first scatters them, as all forsake Jesus, then gatehrs them as all are consummed into the Body of Christ.

ken1burton

 

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Okay Ken... I'm back to the "huh" stage again lol! (just being honest here lol!) I certainly love those ah ha! experiences care to bring me to one? lol! You lost me there pal

I get the "evening obligation", as Christ was obligated to fulfill the scriptures concerning everything written of Him because the things written were speaking of Him (Gods work/The Cross of Christ)He is seen as a Prince in scripture as well as The King of Kings and scripture does refer to Judas as a man mine equal without dispute as crazy as that first sounded, but I'm lost on the going back and forth here if you could simplify it for me so that I can weigh these things out here.

If I'm getting this correctly at the Cross when Christ who yeilded up His Holy Spirit came to Daniel (?) in swift flight at the same time? Whats this resisting 21 days thing? I have a few questions here bare with me lol!

In Him Kim

 

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If this is the MEASURE of a man, is it Angel status with a Cubit added?

Ken,
Ok this might sound like a stupid question but I have to ask it since it might seem to apply to what you wrote here or at least in connection to it.

Jesus said that He IS the Resurrection, how do you view that in regard to "the angels"? I'm trying to see the line of reasoning here, because Jesus said (in regards to a question asked of Him) something like, "The children of the Resurection (Himself?) are like the angels How do you see how this connect to what you have already shared or is it connected at all?

Just curious Ken

In Him Kim

 

[ken1burton]

Star.

The most a Man can obtain to is to lay down his life for a friend, If a person goes beyond that point, they have the Cubit added, and have reached Angel status.

Like being Born again, the love level has killed self. and a new creature is formed.

Jesus said "He is the Resurrection" and that is before going to the cross. That is a Hint that Jesus was reborn at Bethlehem as we try to figute what that verse meant.

It is also showing Jesus has reached a higher love level. He is not living for self, He is living for God to the point of dying even for His enemies. He is BORN AGAIN. Both Physically at Bethlehem, and Spiritually as He can see the Kingdom of God as He is speaking to Nicodemus.

Jesus could not be telling Nicodemus about the Kingdom unless Jesus also met the qualification He said was required.

When you reach that HIGHER LOVE LEVEL when these things happen, You see God's love clearly. For you now feel the same way towards others. Or God is alive in you.

When the day of the cross starts, Jesus is a PINCE, When betrayed Jesus is still a prince, so Judas who is Michael is seen as a man My Equal.

This is why the Prophecy for Jesus coming in on a ass the colt the foal of an ass is not for Palm Sunday. He was not a KING then. He becomes a King the day of the cross as Psalms 2:6/7 shows.

Jesus is coming in on a colt the foal of an ass the day of the cross or coming in on the Birth of mankind to God.

(ZECHARIAH 9:9) Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass. (KJV)

(GENESIS 49:11) Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass's colt unto the choice vine; he washed his garments in wine, and his clothes in the blood of grapes: (KJV)

(JOB 11:12) For vain man would be wise, though man be born like a wild ass's colt. (KJV)

Now for Daniel's visions. All visions are for the day of the cross, God already knowing what He will do tells them in visions and similitudes to the Prophets. But they are seeing the day of the cross as God plants the pictures in their minds.

God makes the day as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26. Because God doubles twice to establish His words. Then each of the days also must be seen as a week.

(GENESIS 41:32) And for that the dream was doubled unto Pharaoh twice; it is because the thing is established by God, and God will shortly bring it to pass. (KJV)

Daniel has to wait 21 days, or till three of the Pictures are fulfilled. Or till 3 days. (similitude for Daniel then being alive. Resurrected from the dead so the conversation can take place.)

This is part of the Law of the Meades and Persians, God's word is written down and signed, Now Jesus has to go by it also. Or Establishing it as truth.

Like "No man cometh unto the Father, but by Me.", This Scripturally placed Daniel in the Lion's den, or dead in Christ, He did not petition the King. Or did not come through Christ. The Windows to Jerusalem (to Jesus) being open, But Daniel prays as He did before, Directly to God.

Here Daniel sees one of the Visions, Daniel is seeing the Vision and seeing it when He will be dead and in the grave. (the day of the cross this will take place) When you are buried, your face is to the ground, even though you are on your back, the ground is above you also.

(DANIEL 10:7) And I Daniel alone saw the vision: for the men that were with me saw not the vision; but a great quaking fell upon them, so that they fled to hide themselves. (KJV)
(DANIEL 10:8) Therefore I was left alone, and saw this great vision, and there remained no strength in me: for my comeliness was turned in me into corruption, and I retained no strength. (KJV)
(DANIEL 10:9) Yet heard I the voice of his words: and when I heard the voice of his words, then was I in a deep sleep on my face, and my face toward the ground. (KJV)

Daniel is dead, He is in a deep sleep. He is in Corruption, He has no strength. The Vision is God showing Daniel what happens the day of the cross as Jesus being dead also comes to Him.

Note that we go from a Prince to a King of Persia. the same as Jesus goes from a Prince when betrayed to a King set upon God's Holy hill.

(DANIEL 10:13) But the prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but, lo, Michael, one of the chief princes, came to help me; and I remained there with the kings of Persia. (KJV)

Because the day is seen as 3 pictures, Goddoubling twice means each of those 3 pictures has to be seen as three sub pictures to establish the day as Truth.

Basically it is the day as 7 days, then each of those 7 as 7 days, so there are 49 days, seeing them all together as the 50th. the days seen as weeks, and as years, etc. Establishes the Jublilee. Every man restored to His former estate.

(EZEKIEL 16:55) When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate. (KJV)

The Second picture with Jesus seen as a woman, The day is as 2 12-hour periods, when seen as 2 12-hour periods the day seen as daughters. Three pictures of the day being returned to their former estate.

The Second picture is seeing Jesus in hell, and the former estate is returning to life.

(DANIEL 10:14) Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days. (KJV)

"YET THE VISION" for we are already looking into the day of the cross, and there are more days to see there.

Because God doubles twice, Daniel now will again be seen as strengthened so He can speak. Again revived from the Dead. Look close at "NO BREADTH" in Daniel.

(DANIEL 10:15) And when he had spoken such words unto me, I set my face toward the ground, and I became dumb. (KJV)
(DANIEL 10:16) And, behold, one like the similitude of the sons of men touched my lips: then I opened my mouth, and spake, and said unto him that stood before me, O my lord, by the vision my sorrows are turned upon me, and I have retained no strength. (KJV)
(DANIEL 10:17) For how can the servant of this my lord talk with this my lord? for as for me, straightway there remained no strength in me, neither is there breath left in me. (KJV)

Daniel is asking how can I being dead talk with you?

Now this happens for the Third time:

(DANIEL 10:18) Then there came again and touched me one like the appearance of a man, and he strengthened me, (KJV)

When Gabriel begins to fly swiftly, That is the Spirit of Christ being commended to God.

The day of the cross is seen as 7 burdens in Isaiah.

1=Burden of Babylon
2=Burden of Moab
3=Burden of Damascus
4=Burden of Egypt, this is noon to sunset as God calls His Son out of Egypt. at the cross.
5=Burden of the desert of the sea.
6=Burden of the Valley of Visions. (here is where the Visions come from. God shows them in advance as prophecies of the visions.
7=Burden of Tyre. as Jesus pours out love (fornication) upon all people, Jew and Non-Jew alike. Verses 23:27/18

I hope this helps. Ask for a glass of water, and someone brings a tanker truck

Ken

 

[ken1burton]

Don.

God dropped off a note for you here, So I better give it to you. He mentioned something about a VERY VERY VERY hairy person. A person so hairy, His brother had to put the skins of Kids on His hands and back of His neck to appear like Esau.

This person then being very hairy Himself. Like a Goat in fact, stole His brother's blessing.

The GOAT is the sin offering, Jesus had to be AS A GOAT to get the blessing, or to end up with the people instead of death getting them.

(GENESIS 27:29) Let people serve thee, and nations bow down to thee: be lord over thy brethren, and let thy mother's sons bow down to thee: cursed be every one that curseth thee, and blessed be he that blesseth thee. (KJV)

Here Death wanted to be Lord over the People, But Death loss the blessing. Jesus came as the Passover Lamb, the GOAT of God. the Sin offering.

(EXODUS 12:5) Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: (KJV)

(HOSEA 13:14) I will ransom them from the power of the grave; I will redeem them from death: O death, I will be thy plagues; O grave, I will be thy destruction: repentance shall be hid from mine eyes. (KJV)

It is not Abraham, Isaac, and Esau, or DEATH, it is Abraham, Isaac, and Jesus the Christ.

ken1burton

 

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Ken... Whoa! Give me a tanker truck anytime and thank you very much! I really enjoy reading your posts I sincerely do. That was much clearer for me to understand, I think I see a bit more clearly where your coming from on this. I'm going to copy this one and look at it some more if any other questions come to my mind I will post them.

Thank you for taking the time to post this for me

I really appreciate it Ken.

In Him Kim

 

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Hey Kimbo,

Wow, lotsa good stuff posted here - so much to think about (I might get a headache lol thinking about it all). Just kiddin'.

I was thinking that perhaps, and I really don't know because I haven't studied this, a look into the other tree (the tree of LIFE) in the Garden may be of help in understanding what happened after they ate of the forbidden tree.

Our first Parents ate and they saw their nakedness. Could this mean that the knowledge of good and evil is the way of the FLESH? Whereas eating of the Tree of Life is life in the Spirit - which is the Way, the Truth and the Life. We all know Who that is. Worlds apart and diametrically opposed to each other.

You may have said this already, but I missed it. If so, I'm sorry - I often get these things wrong. lol!!!!!

BTW, if you have any info on the Tree of Life, I'd sure love to hear it.

Peace and blessings to you, sis.

GH

 

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Hmmmmmm.... I don't know Grasshopper.... The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not said to be "evil" anymore then the Law itself was. All that God made was good and that tree is no exception, but one would surely die if one ate from it, not unlike Paul who thought that the law or commandment which would bring life produced death in him through what was "good". Sin becoming utterly sinful through the commandment is seen in Pauls example saying, Thou shall not covet produced in him every covetous desire.

Tree of LIFE? Whats HIS name again? (Just kidding) I suppose the intended purpose of the Law was to lead to Christ. Would love to talk about HIM! Just trying to see Him as clearly as I would like in these pictures searching for those Jewels in the pictures so I can see the Testimony of Jesus Christ as clearly as I'm able to.

Sorry bout the headache, can you imagine living with my thoughts? lol! The constant rolling of them gives me a headache as well lol!

But concerning our first parents I can see what your implying concerning the way of the flesh but I haven't gotten anything concrete in order to pull it together for myself without being totally critical of the conclusions yet. Actually I'm in a new mode (kind of enjoying it) I dropped my saying I see and decided to admit I might be blind and cling to my not knowing too much, I like this much better because it keeps me open minded. Please if any thoughts on your end, share away grass hopper I've always enjoyed our freindship in Christ and have never ceased to be blessed in Christ through you!

I love the book of Genesis and have to thank God for ministering to me volumes of Jesus Christ through it but I'm also well aware when something grabs your attention you can easily jump to conclusions before the whole picture is seen. I'm trying hard to simply look at it with the desire to see what unfolds through it by waiting on it a bit longer. I do love this when this happens because I feel very much alive thinking on these wonderful things, I return to them again and again and always glean more... no rush though I know will be learning of Him throughout eternity

Peace and blessings to you too sis!
Kim

 

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"Hmmmmmm.... I don't know Grasshopper.... The Tree of the knowledge of good and evil was not said to be "evil" anymore then the Law itself was. All that God made was good and that tree is no exception, but one would surely die if one ate from it, not unlike Paul who thought that the law or commandment which would bring life produced death in him through what was "good". Sin becoming utterly sinful through the commandment is seen in Pauls example saying, Thou shall not covet produced in him every covetous desire.?

I like this Kimbo - I think you got something here, for me that is. The Tree was the knowledge of good and evil (seen as one entity by me - not evil in itself, but representing a mindset). This certainly corrallates to the Law - what you do or don't do - imo. Conversely, the writer of Hebrews certainly "forbids" (strong word - let's say strongly encourages us) us from staying under the law but rather to live in grace - His mercy, not my works. So from the BEGINNING it was always grace. Just ramblin' on and thinking out loud.

"Actually I'm in a new mode (kind of enjoying it) I dropped my saying I see and decided to admit I might be blind and cling to my not knowing too much, I like this much better because it keeps me open minded."

Oh yeah, me too. Although things were a lot easier when I knew all the answers and could back them up scripture and verse. lol And I have you to thank for showing me another path. A new and more exciting and most satisfying path.

Thanks Kim for your thoughts.

GH

 

[ken1burton]

Just a qucik thought. Most can easily see Jesus as the Tree of live. He is the Tree of Life. Consider this. What if Adam and Eve (only a story) had eaten of the Tree of Life first which was not forbidden of them to eat from?

The Reality is that the Tree of Knowledge of the FRUIT of Good and Evil had to be eaten first. For with it came death. And until Jesus died, we do not get Eternal life with God.

Life being Good, Death being Evil. The Tree is the Knowledge of the first two things. life and death.

The day of the cross as 3 pictures.

1=Wisdom, 2=understanding, 3=KNOWLEDGE.

(PROVERBS 24:3) Through wisdom is an house builded; and by understanding it is established: (KJV)
(PROVERBS 24:4) And by knowledge shall the chambers be filled with all precious and pleasant riches. (KJV)

(PROVERBS 3:19) The Lord by wisdom hath founded the earth; by understanding hath he established the heavens. (KJV)
(PROVERBS 3:20) By his knowledge the depths are broken up, and the clouds drop down the dew. (KJV)

The Tree of Knowledge is the third picture for the day of the cross, "Knowledge" is a key word used by God to show this third time period.

The Second picture is seeing Jesus dead in hell, so the Good is the first picture, and evil is the second picture.

Jesus said to make the tree GOOD or EVIL. So we have a Good tree, a Evil Tree, and a Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil. or knowing the first two pictures.

Jesus had to make the TREE EVIL. or Take sin which meant He had to die. This is for the Second picture with Jesus in hell when He bore Evil fruit or got them all out of hell.

ken1burton

 

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GH,

That tree always intrigued me as to what it meant and so the search to see how it fit with the rest of scripture as those including Paul chose to word what he was trying to say borrowing much of his langauge from there speaking of the law itself if compared. I can also see what you are saying concerning the Grace spoken of in a strange likeness today. "The fall" has a familiar ring to it when you see the tree of the knowledge of good and evil as the law itself. The fall then would be from Grace itself which always was even before it came by Jesus Christ if you see it in the pictures as pointing "toward Him who was to come", I still have alot to think about and really love musing on these things. My thoughts can't seem to catch up to His! lol! Thank God for His Holy Spirit who makes known these things in time as we search them out huh?

But it is so true that once you begin to say, "I don't see" you really begin to see not in an obnoxious way having all the answers its kind of hard to share what begins to happen in you. Less critical of others, always listening, and your not threatened if someone else thinks differently as I once was. I was always kind of angry, thought I knew something and if you didn't see as I did you were doomed in error and "the works", but what made me think I was always right all the time? Pride really, Gods right hand gal defending Him with my sword of truth! Taking an honest look in my heart I would never look at all the questions I had concerning so many things my heart was as cold as ice, I lacked warmth and the love I should have been walking in but I just didn't know how and because I judged others using my standard I was not about to fall "under it" so I denied alot. God's longsuffering toward Paul became mine.

I remember looking "spiritual" was VERY important in my heart of hearts, I just don't care what I appear to be, what a BURDEN!!! I am what I am ya know? Thats all I can be, its HIS WORK IN ME and if I'm to be made perfect (Whatever that looks like) I hope its in love. To leave behind the boastful "know it all"fleshly self with an iron neck is such a release! Takin in the fresh air!

What a wonder it all is be it on top of the world or in the pit of despair its great to know He's with me and all of us. Praise His Name!

In Him Kim

 

[Star]

Life being Good, Death being Evil. The Tree is the Knowledge of the first two things. life and death.

Ken,

Ah ha! I found a verse I thought you were nuts! I still don't "get it" I'm not quite grasping what your trying to share here if you can clarify a bit maybe that would help but heres the verse I found which appears to agree with your point.

Deut 30:15 See, I have set before thee this day life and good, and death and evil;

I'm really trying to see these as it's pictured in the Garden as well as they pertain to Jesus Christ and trying to think of what you mean by making the tree evil, which tree? and why?

Paul curiously enough says this...

Rom 8:38 -39For I am persuaded, that neither DEATH, NOR LIFE, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Some today would beg to differ with Paul here wouldn't you say? This verse always stays with me though even though I haven't grasped the enorminty of the revelation myself.

Even this one too...

1Corinth 3:22 Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;

Life or death are "mine"? Can't I pick and chose such as the Lord says choose this day? Spiritual truths are more often then not difficult to grasp. Sometimes even begining the journey on comparing spiritual with spiritual can at first be a struggle in the desire to understand them, wish I understood them all but unfortunately I don't.

Even this...

2Sam 15:21 And Ittai answered the king, and said, [As] the LORD liveth, and [as] my lord the king liveth, surely in what place my lord the king shall be, whether in death or life, even there also will thy servant be.

Whether in death or life He be glorified in me?

questions questions questions

In Him Kim

 

[ken1burton]

Kim.

Take the day of the cross. Make it as three days, look at the Three physical days even though they were all fulfilled within one 24 hour period.

The Second time period from Midnight to Sunrise as the Second physical day, Jesus took sin, Spiritually dead as He will be in the Future similitude of the Second physical day, Physically dead.

The Third time period from sunrise to noon, Starting out spiritually dead. With His stripes we are healed, or now spiritually alive. as the third physical day which is a future similitude when Jesus and all the dead resurrects. (Isa 26:19 "Together with My Dead body shall they arise.)

"Don't know Grasshopper?", Their lifting up is as smoke in Isaiah 9:18, The bottomless pit is opened in Rev 9:1. Make yourself many as the Locust in Nahum 3:15. So they all rose with Jesus as GRASSHOPPERS, or Locust. That is the dead body of Christ with all the dead with Him.

Jesus is the Tree of Life. The First physical day Jesus takes within Himself those that are ALIVE. He is then the Tree of LIFE. The Second physical day Jesus gathers those in hell into the Body of Christ, He is then the Tree of Evil, bearing evil fruit as He gathers the dead.

The Third physical day He is the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil or those which are alive are in Christ, and those that are dead are in Christ. Those that have known Good are in Christ, those that have know hell or evil are in Christ.

NOW. As this is really all fulfilled in one physical day. We move to the Fourth time period. Noon to sunset. The day is as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26. This is the MIDST of the WEEK. This is the Midst of the week in Daniel when Jesus ends the Daily Sacrifice when He offers Himself for FUTURE Sin. Past and present sin ended with His stripes.

The Tree of the KNOWLEDGE of Good and Evil is in the MIDST of the Garden. Or all three pictures are together in the fourth time period as it is all made as one day. "Except those days be shortened."

Precept upon precept, line upon line, here a little, there a little. Three pictures of learning.

ken1burton

 

[Star]

Ken,

I might have a hard time grasping what you share but I see these things are clear to you and you've always shown consistency in trying to show them in various ways. I'm fustrated that I'm not able to grasp some of these things. But I find it interesting how you used the last to show the Tree of the knowledge of good and evil in the MIDST of the garden as in the midst of the week (shown as the seven days somehow). I might now understand it but I do glean from your posts especially if its worded using that which I have familiarized myself with scripture.

My thoughts are lagging behind here. Okay I'll bite what about the locusts? How do they work into the picture you see here?

In Him Kim

 

[ken1burton]

Star.

The Locust were just in relation to you saying "I don't know Grasshopper." Because Jesus is listed as many Locust, the Body of Christ as Locust when they arise, You do know Grasshopper, it is the Body of Christ.

(ISAIAH 40:22) It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in: (KJV)

Thd day of the cross first seen as 4 6-hour periods, as the four corners of the Earth, the Pictures are seen over and over, or as in a circle. The People as Grasshoppers. His days as Heaven, the day made as 7 days in Isaiah 30:26 so the Heavens are spread out. The day as a house made, or as a tent to dwell in.

(AMOS 7:1) Thus hath the Lord God shewed unto me; and, behold, he formed grasshoppers in the beginning of the shooting up of the latter growth; and, lo, it was the latter growth after the king's mowings. (KJV)

The people again as Grasshoppers, The mowing is the day of the cross as all flesh is as grass, Mowed down. Then regrown. Like the Hairs on Samson. They grow back. The shooting up of the LAtter growth is when all are raise to God. All sin having ended, all acceptable in God's sight.

God's Words are Established AS TRUTH the Day of the cross by seeing them as 2 or 3 witnesses. God's Word bears witnesses to Itself by showing it different way which then interlock with each other.

The day first as 4 6-hour periods, the day second as 2 12-hour periods, the day third as 1 24-hour period. So at the Mouth of two or three witnesses all things are established.

The day of the cross HAS to be seen as 7 days.

(ISAIAH 30:26) Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the Lord bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound. (KJV)

"With His Stripes we are healed", This verse has to apply to the day of the cross, it has to be seen as 7 days to fulfill God's Words.

Because the day of the cross is also the Creation, of the New World, Jesus is making or creating things in Himself, here is the Grasshoppers created, the Trees created, the bees, Etc. all have to be created the day of the cross in similitude.

(JOHN 1:3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. (KJV)

(ISAIAH 48:7) They are created now, and not from the beginning; even before the day when thou heardest them not; lest thou shouldest say, Behold, I knew them. (KJV)

The Beginning is when Jesus says "It is finished" so all these similitudes are written before this comes to pass, all for the day of the cross.

ken1burton

 

[Star]

Ken,

The last verse in Isaiah did it for me, okay I can see this now, but I laughed at the "grasshoppers" because its so like you to find something I said and bring it into a point for your next post lol! The "grasshopper" scriptures were great additions as well, you make me laugh even when your trying to make your point lol! Thanks Ken

In Him Kim

 

[GH]

The Locust were just in relation to you saying "I don't know Grasshopper." Because Jesus is listed as many Locust, the Body of Christ as Locust when they arise, You do know Grasshopper, it is the Body of Christ.

Hey Ken and Kim,

This speaks volumes to me right now and my login name is GH which stands for grasshopper.

Just thinking out loud again. You both are a blessing.

GH (grasshopper)

Also it's my sincere pleasure to be a member of the Body of Christ.

[ July 08, 2002, 04:27 PM: Message edited by: GH ]

 

[ken1burton]

GH.

Seeing we are as Grasshoppers, and all flesh is as Grass. We better go get breakfast. Somewhat like Fishers of men get theirs. We have meat to eat they know not of.

God put thousands of things in our sight daily to remind us of His words. Look around you and see how many verses you can attatch to what is seen at this moment.

The walls, the Light, the Shadows, etc

ken1burton