Who will be the next Baptist Pope?

[mioque]

dianetavegia
I know. I caught my own mistake a few minutes after that post you responded too (I even apologized to Debbie in 2 threads).
I figured that after 1950 we had seen the climax of the whole Mary movement.
Apparently not.

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Dr. Tim; If you know more SB and IFB Baptists than I do, then you must be waaaaaaay older than me 'cause I know a lot of both...

 

[Dr.Tim]

No way.. u look..from the picture.. like u were born when Jim Jones brought all those folks to Guyana. I heard someone escaped with a baby..was that you..the baby???????????

 

[I Am Blessed 24]

Why, thank you!

No, that wasn't me. I don't follow men.

That picture was taken three years ago - when I was 57.

 

[Jim1999]

From my experience over the years, US Baptists make far too much of groups, associations and fellowships. We made the same mistake many years ago concerning the Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec. We called them all liberals and avoided them. Lo, so many evangelicals came forth from that same convention, we had to change our tune.

We invited some American Baptists to come and preach in Canada. It was not because they belonged to this group or the other, but we selected the man for his stand on the truth of God's word.

My fellowship is with anyone who professes Christ as Saviour, and my association is with any group that so declares that Saviour to its people, and God's word the foundation for that truth.

Cheers,

Jim

Celebrate in this truth!

 

[Dr. Bob]

Baptists fall into 3 groups

SBC with 15 million - and Paige Patterson type would be a de facto leader

IFB with 3 million (1 million looney tune with hyles type gurus to imitate) - and by nature they are fragmented around schools and associations for "leaders"

Liberal Baptists (like American, about 1 million) - and have no clue a "big name" in that group

 

[Dr.Tim]

I take door #2.. without any heroes

 

[dcorbett]

Originally posted by mioque:
dianetavegia
I know. I caught my own mistake a few minutes after that post you responded too (I even apologized to Debbie in 2 threads).
I figured that after 1950 we had seen the climax of the whole Mary movement.
Apparently not.

I caught your apology...and thank you!! I am saddened by the fact that, if he really believed that, he is burning in hell as I type.

 

[mioque]

"St. Irenaeus, a disciple of Polycarp, already pointed out Mary's contribution to the work of salvation. He understood the value of Mary's consent at the time of the Annunciation, recognizing in the Virgin of Nazareth's obedience to and faith in the angel's message the perfect antithesis of Eve's disobedience and disbelief, with a beneficial effect on humanity's destiny. In fact, just as Eve caused death, so Mary, with her "yes", became "a cause of salvation" for herself and for all mankind (cf. Adv. Haer., III, 22, 4; SC 211, 441)."
"
If one believes strongly in free will than Irenaeus is in a sense right ofcourse. Still, building that whole Marian cathedral on this bit of sophistry is not conductive to one's salvation.

 

[Pete Richert]

If one believes strongly in free will than Irenaeus is in a sense right ofcourse.

I'm afraid I don't believe in free-will in this sense. I think God had it all planned out from the foundation of the world and it went exactly as planned. But even if I did believe in free-will in this sense, who cares. Why couldn't God just have said, "your lost" and went and presented His plan to Mary's sister? BTW, God didn't ask Mary if she wanted to bear Jesus, He told her she would.

Oh, and I nominate that brilliant theologian Pete Richert as our next Baptist pope.

 

[Pete Richert]

(I best go start practicing my waving).

 

[Pete Richert]

(My Pope-mobile is going to be a convertable Jaguar)

 

[dianetavegia]

Dave Hunt refers to Calvin as the "Protestant Pope" and documents that Calvin wrote his major theological treatise "Institutes of the Christian Religion" while a new convert from Catholicism and only one-year-old in the Lord. He shows Calvin’s source of doctrine as coming from St. Augustine, the so-called doctor of the Roman Catholic Church. Hunt calls Calvinism an "unbiblical system of religion devised by an immature believer and then dogmatically upheld not only by him but by his followers today" (pg. 305).

In chapter five, Hunt gives a history lesson of John Calvin’s state-church system in Geneva, Switzerland where non-Calvinists were tortured and burned at the stake if they disagreed with Calvin’s theology. Hunt notes that "Calvin is defended with the plea that such dealings were common practice and that he should be judged by the standard of his time. Do Calvin’s defenders really mean that ‘new creatures in Christ Jesus’ are to rise no higher than the conventions of their culture and moment in history?"

http://www.cephasministry.com/calvanism_what_love_is.html

 

[TCassidy]

Dave Hunt is a notoriously poor source of accurate information. And his book as been so thoroughly refuted I am amazed anyone still reads it.

 

[Paul33]

diane,

I find you to be intelligent and balanced in your views. I agree with TC, you might want to read some critiques of Dave Hunt's book. Hunt really got it wrong on this one.

 

[Scott J]

In chapter five, Hunt gives a history lesson of John Calvin’s state-church system in Geneva, Switzerland where non-Calvinists were tortured and burned at the stake if they disagreed with Calvin’s theology.

The church-state system in Geneva belonged to Calvin? Hmmmm. If I remember correctly, he was often on the outside looking in himself.

Did Hunt name anyone other than Servetus that Calvin was directly/indirectly involved in persecuting? Servetus was executed for heresy but Calvin pleaded with him not to come to Geneva to force a confrontation and then tried to get his executioners not to torture him.

Calvin wasn't perfect nor was Augustine... but Hunt isn't exactly being fair with the facts. Maybe he is driven by his bias against calvinism?

 

[TC]

Originally posted by TCassidy:
Dave Hunt is a notoriously poor source of accurate information. And his book as been so thoroughly refuted I am amazed anyone still reads it.

I'm not. Some people have such a great need to bash the caricature of Calvin that they have built that they will fervently hold on to any straw they have. Most people bash Calvin on election so much, they don't even know that he wrote the least on that subject. From what I understand, Calvin's biggest passion was proper worship in the Church. It seems to me that most of his writings, that I have seen, center on the subject of worship.

 

[atestring]

Pope Paige Patterson thinks we should all bow and kiss his toe.

 

[Pete Richert]

I'm sorry, but did the likes of Dave Hunt just call John Calvin an immature believer.

You know who must have been a really immature Christian was Charlos Spurgeon and oh oh oh that just baby in the Lord Martin Lurther who wrote more on Calvinism then any other reformer. And oh dear, John Owen was just drinking milk his whole life! Oh and that silly toddler Johnathin Edwards . . .

Dave Hunt . . . Martin Luther . . . Dave Hunt . . .Martin Luther . . . hmmmmmm

 

[Roy]

OK folks. You have twisted my arm. I accept. I will be your new Baptist pope. I guess this trailer park where I currently live will have to serve as the Baptist Vatican.

Pope Roy