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Whom I am chief.

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Brother Bob, Nov 30, 2007.

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  1. standingfirminChrist

    standingfirminChrist New Member

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    What a doctrine! Paul said it himself. 'of whom I am chief'.

    Paul did teach the churches to not yield their members over to sin. And he tried to practice the very same4 thing he preached.

    His message was that evil that I would not, that I do. Paul gave in to the flesh, Bob. Do you not give in to the flesh yourself?
     
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  2. Brother Bob

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    Depends on who holds the national record. I am sure all of them hit home runs at home in play time gaves. It is like the fastest car. Many have broken the record, but when it counts is when it is according to the rules of fast cars and duly recorded.
    So, Bonds is the greatest HR hitter and I do mean is. Before he broke the record of Aaron, it was Aaron was the greatest HR hitter even though not even playing anymore. I think you will agree with that Ed Sutton?

    BBob,
     
    #122 Brother Bob, Dec 2, 2007
  3. standingfirminChrist

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    Paul, did not make sin a practice, Steven. Read Romans 7. He gave in to it because of the weakness of his flesh.

    The evil that I would not, that I do.
     
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  4. Brother Bob

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    You are just plain wrong and if Paul meant present time of the chiefest of sinners, he should of said also, the chiefest of hypocrits.

    How can you preach to your members not to sin??? As Stevens2006 said, don't make not sense to rational and senseable people.



    BBob,
     
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  5. standingfirminChrist

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    Ding... ding...ding... give the man a kewpie doll. He does know his baseball. And apparently the difference between past and present.

    Wonder if Steven and Brother Bob will catch on?
     
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  6. standingfirminChrist

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    No, he should not have said chief of hypocrites, Bob. Because he did n ot hold on to that sin as a lifestyle. He fell into sin,

    There is a difference, Bob.

    btw... Ok, Bob... you are wrong.
     
    #126 standingfirminChrist, Dec 2, 2007
  7. Brother Bob

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    Your answer figures. The whole world thinks different, but of course you know better.

    BBob,
     
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  8. Brother Bob

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    You cross yourself bad. How could he be present time chief of sinners, if he did not sin except to complain of a thorn in his flesh??

    You make no sense whatsoever Sfic.

    BBob,
     
    #128 Brother Bob, Dec 2, 2007
  9. standingfirminChrist

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    Bob, do you sin? How can you preach to your members not to sin?

    Steven is not thinking rationally.


    Ok, Bob... you are wrong.
     
    #129 standingfirminChrist, Dec 2, 2007
  10. standingfirminChrist

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    Go read your Bible, Bob. The thorn in the flesh was not sin.
     
    #130 standingfirminChrist, Dec 2, 2007
  11. Steven2006

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    That doesn't answer the question. If as you say he was the greatest sinner at that time, why would he be telling them to follow his example in his walk? Plus you didn't answer the other verses I posted, Why was Paul not put away if he was a greater sinner than those he was speaking about?
     
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  12. Brother Bob

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    could of been a lack of faith, which is sin. again, you speak as a foolish man. Your understanding of the scripture is lacking. Sorry to be so plain, but I can't seem to reach you.

    BBob,
     
    #132 Brother Bob, Dec 2, 2007
  13. Steven2006

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    Catch on to what, this?
    The question is not whether Paul is the chief of sinners or not, he clearly says he is, the question is when was he.
     
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  14. standingfirminChrist

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    It is not I speaking as a foolish man, Bob.

    Nowhere does God say that Paul's asking for the thorn to be removed is a lack of faith.

    Bob, ya gotta add to the Word of God to come up with your theory. Dire consequences to that, my friend.

    I will not argue with you henceforth on the matter.

    Paul said the old man was dead. That meant he no longer considered the past sins against him even though he mentioned them from time to time as a witness to what God did for him.

    Whe n he said 'of whom I am chief,' he was speaking of himself AFTER his Damascus Road experience, not before.

    I am out of this thread.
     
    #134 standingfirminChrist, Dec 2, 2007
  15. Brother Bob

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    Doesn't mean, Paul didn't remember them!!

    Also, seems that Paul was impatient to wait on the Lord for the removal of the thorns, which would of been sin. That which is not of faith is sin. You don't know if it was sin or not, it is God we sin against. not SFic.

    So, we still have those who believe that Christians can be the most horendeous of sinners, because they believe Paul was.

    BBob,
     
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  16. Steven2006

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    Here are a couple more verses that don't make complete sense, if Paul's was living the life as a the chief sinner at the time.

    1Th 2:3 For our exhortation did not come from error or uncleanness, nor was it in deceit.




    2Cr 4:2 But we have renounced the hidden things of shame, not walking in craftiness nor handling the word of God deceitfully, but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
     
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  17. Brother Bob

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    True Christian...............

    BBob,
     
    #137 Brother Bob, Dec 2, 2007
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    :laugh: laugh:

    With apologies to Garret Morris, as his "Saturday Night Live" personna, Chico Escuela, might have said to Jane Curtin:

    "Thank you! Thank you berry much, Hane!

    "I lov-ee Baz-e-bol! Baz-e-bol been berry, berry goot to ME!

    "Baz-e-bol been berry, berry goot to Hank Ear-run! Ze' Hammer! You BET!

    "Baz-e-bol been berry, berry goot to Babe Ruth! Ze' Bam-BEAN-o! You Bet!

    "Baz-e-bol been berry, berry goot to - how you say, Hane?? Sah-Sah- I don't know! Oh! Je-pan! 868! You Bet!

    "Baz-e-bol not been berry goot to Josh Gibson. No can beeg-league play!

    "Baz-e-bol been berry, berry goot to Baddy Bonds! Baddy Bonds been not so goot to Baz-e-bol! How you say? BAl-e-CO!

    "Thank you, Hane! Thank you berry, berry much!"

    :laugh: :laugh:

    Ed
     
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  19. Steven2006

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    Let me be clear as to the point you were trying to make. Are you trying to raise in question whether Paul was indeed the chief of sinners or not?
     
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  20. Brother Bob

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    Seems to me Ed enjoys a "putdown" unless it is him on the recieving end. Maybe Ed does not know that is what draws the negative comments his way.

    BBob,
     
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